Build Wealth Canada Podcast

One resource that I check out every year is MoneySense's "Best ETFs in Canada" guide.

They bring on a panel of experts to find Canada's top ETFs for DIY index investors (like myself). I found this guide extremely helpful when I was first getting started in investing, and now, many years later, I still read it when it gets updated annually, just to be "in the know" of what's happening when it comes to index investing in Canada, and to stay up to date on any significant changes like the updated fees, new ETF offerings, and any changes to existing top ETFs that you and I have in our portfolios already.

This podcast interview is different from you just reading the written version of the guide because we actually do a deep dive into the different ETFs that are in the guide.

Definitely check out the written version of the guide as well, especially since it has some really useful tables that nicely summarize what the top ETFs are, in the different categories. But, definitely still listen to this interview as the writer of the MoneySense guide is on the show today to dive deeper into the findings, along with one of the top panellists and experts, Ben Felix from PWL Capital to provide his analysis on the different top ETFs.

Questions Covered:

1. Bryan, can you start by telling us about your background, as well as this annual initiative led by MoneySense to determine the best ETFs in Canada? Ben, can you tell us a bit about your background and the work that you do?
2. Bryan, how does voting work among the panellists before an ETF is admitted as one of the "Top ETFs in Canada"?
3. Bryan, there are a lot of different investing strategies out there. When you and the panellists are evaluating what the best ETFs in Canada are, what is the goal and strategy that you are all focused on and what kind of investor is this top ETFs list for?
4. Ben, before we get into the results, what should someone do if they are holding a past 'top pick', and now they no longer see that pick on this year's list? In other words, when should we actually really consider swapping to a completely different ETF if we already have a good diversified index portfolio in place?
5. Ben, when it comes to switching from one ETF to another, what are the trading costs that we need to be aware of? The $5-$10 trading commissions are the one I think most people are familiar with, but what about the bid/ask spread, how much of a cost impact does that have? And are there any other costs we need to be aware of, when for example someone is tempted to switch ETFs because let's say, a top pick for this year has a slightly lower MER?

Top Canadian ETFs:

1. Alright, let's take a look at the top Canadian, total market, index ETFs that give you exposure to the Canadian stock market. I noticed that all three of the top picks have the same management fee. We have BMO with ZCN, Vanguard with VCN, and iShares with XIC. Ben, BMO's ZCN and iShares' XIC look almost identical to me. Are there any key differences between these two that we should be aware of?
2. The other thing that jumped out at me is that Vanguard's VCN has fewer holdings, 181 vs 240 compared to the iShares and BMO ETFs. Would this be considered a concern by implying that the Vanguard ETF is less diversified than the BMO and iShares versions? i.e. Why would you go with Vanguard when you can get more holdings and be more diversified with XIC or ZCN?
3. Bryan, another top pick in this category is Horizons' HXT ETF, which covers the S&P/TSX 60. You mention in the article that "it's tax-efficient; and has a rock-bottom 0.04% fee after the rebate, until at least Dec. 31, 2022". Can you explain what this rebate is, and why the "at least Dec 31 2022" timeline?
4. Ben, Horizons has this unique tax structure with some of their ETFs, like HXT, where you don't receive the dividend payouts as income, but instead they get added to the fund so that you instead receive more capital gains. I realize that I'm maybe oversimplifying things a bit here, but essentially by holding an ETF like HXT in a personal taxable or corporate trading account, some Canadians save money by reducing their clawbacks when it comes to things like CPP, OAS, the Canada Child Benefit (CCB), and avoid the high tax rate when investing in a corporate account.Now in the past, the government closed this, (what I would consider a) loophole, but Horizons figured out a way to restructure their ETFs so that Canadians can still get these tax savings.This raises the concern of: What if the government changed things again, closes the 2nd loophole, and Canadians that were holding Horizons ETFs like HXT start selling off ETFs like HXT in large quantities because it no longer has this tax advantage? In this scenario, would the ETF plummet in price? Or no, because the ETF is still holding companies (in a way), and it's not like the value of all those companies will drop because there is a massive sell-off of the Horizons ETFs.
5. The last time this closing of the "loophole" happened where the government changed the rules, I recall Horizons doing a press release where they said that if they can't find a workaround, they may have to close down those ETFs. If that was to happen in the future, would Canadian investors be hurt by this?
6. Bryan and Ben: The other concern with HXT, is that it is only 60 Canadian companies, and I think most Canadians (myself included) would rather go for the total market approach with an ETF like ZCN, where they are now getting the entire S&P/TSX index with its 240 stock holdings.Do you think this tradeoff is worth it? (where you're getting less diversification, but some potential tax savings and/or clawback reduction on government benefits).
7. Bryan and Ben, most Canadians do have a home country bias when it comes to their investment portfolio. Even when we look at asset allocation ETFs from all the major providers, they definitely hold more of Canada than Canada's percentage of the world equity markets. Why is that, and what is your stance on what percentage Canadian stocks should make up of a Canadian DIY investor's investment portfolio?

US Market ETFs:

1. Alright, let's jump to the US market. XUU still appears to be the favourite here among the panelists, as far as Canadian listed, US total market index ETFs go. The runner-up seems to be VUN which is comparable in terms of US stock market representation, but has a higher fee of 0.15% vs XUU's extremely low fee of 0.07%.Do you guys have any thoughts and comments on this one?

International ETFs:

1. Alright, let's jump to international stocks. Can you give us your thoughts on these, while touching on some of the nuances when it comes to choosing the different combinations, from the different providers, when it comes to emerging and developed international markets?

If you've done any sort of research on index investing and ETFs, then I'm almost certain you would have heard of Vanguard, as they are one of the pioneers in this space.

They have a very impressive massive following in the US and have really established themselves in Canada as well, where they are the 3rd largest ETF provider.

I always wanted to interview them because I'm sure, like you, as one invests, you begin to wonder about certain things when it comes to index investing, and ETFs in general.

I've been accumulating this list of questions for them over the years and it's exciting to finally get a chance to interview them.

Questions Covered:

1. Asset allocation ETFs have become incredibly popular here in Canada so I thought we could start our conversation there.First, for anybody just getting started in DIY investing, can you briefly explain what asset allocation ETFs are?
2. One of the key appeals of asset allocation ETFs for many Canadians, is that the funds within the ETF are automatically rebalanced. Therefore, DIY investors don't need to use tools or a spreadsheet to do this themselves. How often are the Vanguard asset allocation ETFs rebalanced? And when we have something like the large but brief crash from COVID, are the asset allocation ETFs rebalanced at a different interval during such significant events?
3. A dilemma that I'm sure many Canadians face is whether they should use an asset allocation ETF for their entire portfolio, or whether they should split it up and buy individual ETFs instead, to get a slightly lower cost and increased tax efficiency by being able to place the individual ETFs in the account type that is most efficient for that ETF. Is there a certain threshold in terms of portfolio size, or something else where you think Canadians should consider switching from an asset allocation ETF to individual ETFs?
4. When it comes to your asset allocation ETFs, I noticed that your allocations definitely differ from your main competitor iShares. Can you take us through how your asset allocation ETFs are different from iShares, and why you believe your methodology is superior?
5. DIY Investors that classify themselves as total market index investors often hear that their equity asset allocation should be based on market cap weights. For example, since Canada is only 2.4% of the world markets, then only 2.4% of our portfolio should be in Canada (source).
6. However, when we look at the asset allocation ETFs of Vanguard (and your competitors), we notice that Canada is overrepresented (i.e. a home country bias), and the US is underrepresented with respect to just their market cap weights. I know there is a reason you do this and Vanguard has done research on this so can you take us through why your weights don't actually try to exactly match the market cap weights that we see across the world?
7. One particular ETF that I'm sure has caught the attention of many retirees (or soon to be retirees) is the Vanguard Retirement Income ETF (VRIF). Can you explain what this ETF is, and the pros and cons of using it vs just holding a more traditional core total market index portfolio (like VGRO or VBAL for example).
8. One of your popular ETFs is VUN (the Vanguard US Total Market Index ETF). Traditionally, Vanguard and iShares tend to have almost identical fees (MER), when it comes to total market index investing. However, I've had several listeners ask why in the case of VUN, its main competing ETF (XUU from iShares) is at a 0.08% MER whereas Vanguard is double at 0.16% MER. Now I realize that these are both still really low MERs, especially when we compare them to traditional mutual funds that tend to have MERs of 2%+, but I was wondering if this uncommon discrepancy in fees is something that is on Vanguard's radar, and is Vanguard considering matching iShares like it has in the past with many of its other ETFs?
9. This next one is a bit technical, but for Canadian investors that are really trying to optimize their portfolio: Whether stocks are held directly or through an ETF in another country like the US becomes important, due to the two layers of withholding tax that we have to pay if we're holding international stocks through a US listed ETF. With the Vanguard international ETFs (VEE and VIU), are the international companies now held directly instead of through a US listed ETF? And if not, is that something that Vanguard is looking into changing in the future so that Canadian investors no longer have to endure those two layers of dividend withholding tax?
10. Vanguard is seen by many Canadians as the pioneer when it comes to passive, total market index investing, especially with your founder Jack Bogle being such a strong supporter of total market index investing. I noticed however that Vanguard also has an active investing division. Can you tell us more about that as typically active investing is viewed by DIY passive index investors as the complete opposite of passive total market index investing.
11. Why does Vanguard believe that having a combination of both active and passive funds plays a critical role in a well-diversified investment portfolio?
12. Can you tell us about the different resources available on your site for investors?

Today I have Brandon Beavis on the show who runs one of, if not THE largest YouTube channels on investing, specifically for Canadians. He has over 187,000 subscribers, and also runs the channel with his dad who has decades of financial planning experience here in Canada.

Since Brandon and I have each been optimizing our finances and investments for so long, and since we each specialize in this, we thought it would be fun to do a collaboration where we each share how we've optimized our investments and finances so that everybody watching on his channel and listening on my podcast can get two different perspectives and ways of doing things. Then you can pick and choose whatever you think is a better fit for you, and what you think will have the biggest impact on your finances.

Come join me at the Canadian Financial Summit:

Before we get into the show, I wanted to invite you to join me, for free, at the Canadian Financial Summit this year. It's a fully online educational event, you can stream all the talks for free, it starts this October 12, 2022, and you can get free tickets to stream the talks for free over at BuildWealthCanada.ca/summit.

We have over 35 speakers this year, there are already over 22,000 Canadians registered for the event, and we'll be covering investing, real estate, financial planning, early retirement, and much more.

We've got some really high-profile guests again this year including Brandon Beavis and Benjamin Felix who each run one of, if not the largest YouTube channels in Canada on investing. We have Rob Carrick from the Globe and Mail, many of the top writers from MoneySense are presenting, along with some of the largest Canadian personal finance bloggers and writers like Robb Engen, Mark Seed, Ed Rempel, Jason Heath, and many more.

Here's the link for your free tickets: BuildWealthCanada.ca/summit.

I hope to see you there!

And now, let's get into the interview.

Today I have one of, if not THE largest financial literacy educators in Canada on the show, and we're going to go over some practical tips to deal with this horrific inflation that we've all been experiencing here in Canada.

These tips and education covered in the episode are of course, applicable right now as we go through this high inflation period. But, even if you end up listening to this episode years after it's been launched, we made sure that they are still relevant and applicable long term as well.

You might have seen our first guest on Dragon's Den, where literally all the dragons were bidding to partner with him. His name is Kevin Cochran and he is the founder of Enriched Academy, which is a company that teaches financial literacy, and does financial coaching for everyday Canadians like you and I. They are also now in many schools across Canada, teaching financial literacy as well.

Also from Enriched Academy, we have Arian Beyzaei back on the show. He's one of our really popular past guests, and you might have seen him featured on Financial Post, Globe and Mail, and other news sources.

I'm really excited to get things going here as both Kevin, Arian, and myself are actually born in different generations so I thought it would be fun and insightful to have the 3 of us on, as that way you get a unique perspective, no matter which age group you fall into.

Free Tickets to the Canadian Financial Summit:

Before we get into the show, I wanted to invite you to join me, for free, at the Canadian Financial Summit this year. It's a fully online educational event, you can stream all the talks for free, and it starts this October 12, 2022 (so only a few days away).

You can get free tickets to stream the talks for free over at: buildwealthcanada.ca/summit

We have over 35 speakers this year, there's already over 20,000 Canadians registered for the event. We'll be covering investing, real estate, financial planning, early retirement, and much more.

We've got some really high-profile guests again this year including Brandon Beavis and Benjamin Felix who each run one of, if not the largest YouTube channels in Canada on investing. We have Rob Carrick from the Globe and Mail, many of the top writers from MoneySense and some of the largest Canadian personal finance bloggers and writers like Robb Engen, Mark seed, Ed Rempel, Jason Heath, and many, many more.

I hope to see you there! Here is the link again for the free tickets:

buildwealthcanada.ca/summit

The free assessment call mentioned on the episode is available here: buildwealthcanada.ca/call

The Ultimate Phone Script PDF is available for free download here: buildwealthcanada.ca/script

1. What is the dynamic of inflation and interest rates?
2. What is the right mindset for Canadians to help them through these challenging times without creating stress and harm to themselves?
3. What are some defensive financial strategies to help Canadians get through these times?
4. What are some financial strategies to help Canadians thrive during these challenging times ie. Investments?

I always thought it would be neat to interview someone, that is actually part of the organization that runs the Toronto Stock Exchange.

Most of us have the majority of our retirement savings in ETFs or stocks and so it makes sense to actually have some understanding of the exchanges here in Canada, how they work, and the relationships that exist between the brokerage that you use to actually buy your investments, the stock exchange itself, and the governing bodies and regulators that are there to ensure that investors like you and I are protected.

To help us with this, I have Richard Ho on the show. Richard works for the TMX Group, which is the organization that actually runs the Toronto Stock Exchange, the Montreal Exchange, and other exchanges that we'll learn about today, here in Canada.

One of Richard's responsibilities, is leading educational initiatives to help improve investor education, for Canadians like you and I.

One of the educational initiatives that I wanted to really highlight, is that Richard and his team have put together a free to enter competition, with a $10,000 grand prize, and 7 weekly prizes of $500 each. The competition revolves around investing using options.

If you've ever wanted to learn more about what options are, and how they can be used to make money, definitely listen to this episode, but also take part in this free competition as it's a risk-free trading simulation contest, with a lot of educational resources.

The way that it works is that you have a virtual portfolio of $100k, and the question is: Can you strategize and trade options to earn the highest returns in hopes of winning the weekly cash prizes, a $10,000 grand prize and bragging rights as Canada's Top Options Trader?

The contest runs for 8-weeks and kicks off on September 19, 2022. You can register for free here.

There's no entry fee, it's just good education on the subject, and a way that you can try options as a tool in your investment portfolio, without actually risking any of your own real money.

So good luck, and now let's get into the interview with Richard.

Our Expert Guest:

I've invited Richard Ho, DMS, CAIA, FCSI, Director of Equity Derivatives and Customer Relationship Management at TMX Montréal Exchange, who is responsible for leading educational initiatives and partnerships with brokerage firms to discuss what makes this contest exciting, how it differs from past editions, and the educational component surrounding it.

Richard also collaborates on Option Matters, a Montréal Exchange blog whose mission is to help individuals increase their knowledge of the options market.

Resources Mentioned:

• You can enter the contest for free here (it runs from September 19th 2022 to November 11th 2022).

More educational resources:

Education on Options: optionmatters.ca

Montreal Exchange Education Resources: m-x.ca/education

Montreal Exchange Equity Derivatives & Options Education: m-x.ca/options

The Montreal Exchange Main Site: m-x.ca/en

The main TMX site (where all the Canadian exchanges are): tmx.com

Questions Covered:

1. To set the foundation, can you take us through the different exchanges here in Canada. For instance, most of us know about the Toronto Stock Exchange, but what are the other exchanges in Canada? and what do we need to know about them as Canadian investors?
2. You are part of the TMX Group. Can you explain what the relationship is between the TMX Group, and these exchanges? And where can we go to learn more, for anybody that wants to dive deeper?
3. Since the exchanges are such a critical component in Canada's economy and our personal retirement savings, how are investors protected? I imagine there is a lot of government regulation and monitoring?
4. Options have become a very popular topic lately, yet most of us haven't been taught anything about them when in school. For somebody completely new to options, can you give us some detail on what options are, how they work, what type of investor they tend to be suited for, and where can we go to learn more about them?
5. A lot of the investors on the show (myself included) are DIY, passive, total market index investors. Options seem like a tool that we can learn about and have in our arsenal, to use when needed.
6. What purpose can they serve for a passive do-it-yourself investor that typically just tries to buy the market as a whole using ETFs? And how much of a time commitment is it to learn how to do it properly?
7. When it comes to the work that you and your team do, what are your actual goals or mandate? For instance, the TMX Group is a publicly traded company on the Toronto Stock Exchange, just like other for-profit companies, yet you don't actually sell anything to DIY Canadian investors like myself, and I noticed that your team also produces a lot of educational content for Canadian investors like optionmatters.ca, and you even do contests and competitions to encourage investor education. How does all that work?
8. Can you tell us more about the free-to-enter competition that you have coming up?
9. For anybody that maybe doesn't feel comfortable entering the competition yet, or is listening to this podcast episode months after the competition has already taken place, where can they go to learn more and access the different free investor education resources that you and the team have put together?
10. Can you take us through any basic options strategies that investors can try out, both during the contest and/or in real-life?
11. Tell us again where we can go to access more of the free investor education tools that you have available, as well as where we can signup, for free, to the Options Trading Simulation Contest.

One question that I've been getting asked a lot, both from listeners of the podcast, as well as those in my investing course, is how to deal with and optimize any sort of investments through your work.

Typically, in Canada, when you work for a mid-size or large organization, you'll either be part of a defined contribution pension plan, or a defined benefit pension plan.

We're going to cover both types of pensions in this interview, and specifically, some of the things we'll cover are:

1. How should a pension factor into how you view your finances/investments? (And again, this is all going to be for both types of pensions, no matter which one you have).
2. What should your portfolio look like with a pension (i.e. more equity than bonds?), especially depending on the type of pension that you have.
3. How to factor a pension into an early retirement.
4. The tax implications of potentially taking a buyout for early retirement (if that's an option)

We cover all that, and much more in the interview (scroll down for the full list of questions).

To help me with this, I have Robb Engen on the show, who is one of the most reputable fee-for-service financial planners that I know of in Canada.

He also runs one of the largest and most reputable personal finance blogs in Canada called boomerandecho.com.

He's regularly quoted or featured in financial media such as the Globe & Mail, MoneySense, the Financial Post, CBC, and Global News. He used to actually work for a university here in Canada, where he had one of those nice gold-plated pensions, but ended up transitioning from that to becoming self-employed, so he had to go through this pension analysis himself first-hand on what to do when you have a pension, and then no longer wish to stay with that employer.

Because of his background, first-hand experience with pensions, and fantastic reputation in this space here in Canada, I thought he'd be a great fit for this episode, as he's gone through these options and this analysis himself, so it's not just some theory that we're going to be talking about here.

Robb's Site:

BoomerAndEcho.com

Robb's Fee-for-Service Financial Planning Page:

https://boomerandecho.com/fee-only-advice/

You can get your free Passiv account here:

BuildWealthCanada.ca/free

My guide on how to redeem your free premium account upgrade in Passiv is here:

BuildWealthCanada.ca/passiv

You can view the stock/equity side of my portfolio (what I invest in and how much of each ETF type I buy) here:

BuildWealthCanada.ca/portfolio

The account that I use for the safe part of my portfolio is here (I use the high-interest savings account, but they also do GICs if you are willing to lock in the money for a bit to get a higher rate):

BuildWealthCanada.ca/safe

1. To start things off, can you take us through what the main pension types are for Canadians, and what are the key differences between them?
2. How should the 2 different pension types factor into how you view your finances and investments?
3. What should your investment portfolio look like, depending on the type of pension that you have? (ie. more equity than bonds if you have a defined benefit pension?)
4. How do you factor in a pension into an early retirement? (for both pension types)
5. What are the tax implications of potentially taking a pension buyout for early retirement? (if that's an option)
6. Robb, you had a defined benefit pension when you worked at the university before becoming self-employed as a fee-for-service financial planner. Can you take us through how you decided between keeping the pension vs receiving the buyout? What are the pros and cons of each approach?
7. When you have a defined benefit pension plan, your RRSP contribution room gets reduced. This begs the question of whether employees with good defined benefit pension plans should even bother with RRSPs. Let's also tackle this question for those with a defined contribution pension too.
8. Let's talk about our investment options with the two different pension types. For people with defined benefit pensions, do they have any options in terms of how much to contribute, and what that money goes into? (ex. Something environmentally or socially conscious (ESG), something more aggressive, more conservative, etc?)
9. For defined contribution pensions, you definitely have to pick what the money goes into but it can be overwhelming analyzing and choosing from the different investment options offered by the company that your employer has selected. When you speak to a client that is struggling with this, is there a certain process or approach that you suggest to them to help them decide on what investments to pick? I've gotten asked this a lot by students of my investing course so I came up with a process that I thought I'd share. Robb, feel free to jump in if you have anything to add or if you disagree on anything and that way listeners have a nice step-by-step process from both of us that they can use.
10. Can you take us through some common mistakes that you see people do with the two different pension types?
11. Thanks so much for coming on again Robb. We look forward to seeing you at the Canadian Financial Summit again this year as one of the speakers. Tell us again where we can see more of your, content, research, and learn more about your practice?

Long-time listeners of the show know that I am always on the hunt for personal finance and investing tools that actually work for us Canadians. Too often we hear about some great tool or resource and then it turns out that it's only for those in the US.

With that said, I wanted to bring on two CEOs today. The first is from a tool that I've been using and been hooked on for years now, which essentially automates any rebalancing that I have to do in my portfolio (so I don't have to do the tedious data entry into a spreadsheet anymore to calculate how much of each ETF I have to buy every time that I have some money to invest).

One thing that I recently noticed is that I almost never log into my Questrade account anymore, because I would much rather just buy the investments right within one tool for all our accounts, whether it's my account, my wife's account, or our kids' RESP, instead of having to log in and out of each account and doing the trades and calculations manually.

The tool and company that I'm talking about is Passiv. The CEO and our 1st guest today is Brendan Lee Young, and you can actually use Passiv for free, over at BuildWealthCanada.ca/free. They integrate with different Canadian Brokerages out there like Wealthsimple Trade for example, but if you're a Questrade user like me, you actually get their Premium account for free, so that you can do the trades right within the tool and make your portfolio more tax efficient right from within Passiv.

Our second guest CEO is Alex from Global Predications which is a tool that I just recently heard about that is now available in Canada. I'm in the process of trying it out now. Some of its main functionality is that it can help find risks and problem areas within your investment portfolio, give suggestions on how to improve your portfolio, and let you visualize your net worth using all your assets (instead of just your investment portfolio). And, if you want to check them out, their Canadian page where you can get a free account is here.

I thought we could have an interview to discuss some of the tools available to us Canadians, and as a bonus, what's really neat is that Passiv actually has a way for you to share what investments you're holding with others, so in this episode, I also provide a link to my portfolio in Passiv so you can see exactly which ETFs I buy, and what my asset allocation is in terms of bonds vs stocks, and in terms of geography (so how much I have in Canada vs US vs International).

I hope you enjoy the discussion!

You can learn more about Passiv and get a free account here.

You can also see my asset allocation and what ETFs I buy using Passiv here.

Here is the Global Predictions page where you can get free access, specifically for Canadians. FYI, this page is specifically for Canadians so you'll find it more relevant than just going to globalpredictions.com (which is the US version).

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When learning how to invest, we are consistently told to conduct our "due diligence" on the investments that we're considering buying. Yet, almost all of us haven't actually been trained on how to analyze the investments that we're considering, so that we choose the ones that are right for our particular situation.

To help remedy this, I thought it would be good to give listeners a bit of a training on how to actually interpret the figures and terminology that we see used here in Canada, when we're considering purchasing an investment.

Now this is obviously a very large topic as there are many types of investments, so I thought we could start with learning how to understand bonds (especially bond ETFs).

We've definitely seen some drops in the market recently and I suspect many investors are wondering about holding bonds, if they are holding the right types of bonds, and how to actually interpret the data that you see when you're looking up information about a bond ETF.

To help me with this, I have Danielle Neziol back on the show. Danielle and her team actually created and continue to manage the largest bond ETF in Canada (and in case you're curious, that ETF is ZAG from BMO ETFs which now has over $5.8 billion in net assets).

Danielle is the Vice President over at BMO ETFs, and I thought it would be great for us to actually get some training from her on how to interpret the facts sheets that we all see when we look up any type of bond ETF, no matter who the provider is.

My goal is that this interview gives you the knowledge to be more confident in your investing, and hopefully helps relieve any anxiety that you may feel when it comes to choosing your own investments, or helping ensure that you are in the types of investments that are the best fit for you.

Danielle and her team host free weekly webinars where you can learn more about ETFs, as well as ask them your ETF questions. I've been a guest there several times and it really is a great resource for Canadian DIY investors.

You can view past replays and sign up to attend the upcoming webinars for free here: etfmarketinsights.com

Also, be sure to subscribe to the ETF Market Insights YouTube Channel where you can also see past recordings.

1. Investors place a lot of time deciding how much of their portfolio should go into bonds vs stocks. Yet, when it comes to bonds, there are several different types and they can each behave differently. Can you speak to the different types of bond ETFs out there, and what differences can we expect from them? Especially when it comes to changing interest rates and different economic climates?
2. When examining all these different types, I can see it being overwhelming for some investors when they do a search and see dozens of different bond ETFs out there from all the different providers. One may begin to wonder whether they should pick and choose individual bond ETFs, or whether they should just hold one large aggregate bond ETF like ZAG which holds all these different types of bonds in a diversified manner. For those struggling with this question, what advice can you give?
3. Does a rising interest rate environment like we are in now change how we should be thinking about bonds?
4. Often when I see a model portfolio from a professional in the industry, the bond portion of the portfolio includes a bond ETF that contains only Canadian bonds. ZAG if I'm not mistaken also holds exclusively different types of Canadian bonds. Why is that, when with equities on the other hand, we want international diversification?
5. One of Canada's largest bond ETFs (ZAG) is designed to replicate the FTSE Canada Universe Bond Index. Is this index a standard that many other bond ETF providers are using as well? And for us index investors, how can we make sure that the ETF we choose is trying to replicate the correct index?
6. When evaluating which bond ETF(s) to use for our investment portfolio, we should be looking at the fact sheets of those bond ETFs to get a better understanding of what they are and how they are likely to behave. Yet, most of us haven't been trained on how to read these, especially in regard to what the different terms mean. I was hoping that we could go through a real-life bond ETF fact sheet and you could tell us what some of the less obvious terms mean, and what we should be looking for. Let's use ZAG as an example. Listeners can go to BuildWealthCanada.ca/zag for anybody that wants to follow along: Weighted Average Term (year): Can you speak to what that is, and what impact does that have on what you can expect from the ETF? I think at the end of the day, a lot of investors what to know, "If I buy this bond ETF now, what kind of interest income can I expect to receive?" When we look at the fact sheet of a bond ETF however, we see three different percentages. There's the:

• • "Weighted Average Coupon %"
  • the "Annualized Distribution Yield"
  • and the "Weighted Average Yield to Maturity". What do each of these mean? And how can we interpret the numbers provided there? Next, we have two terms that apply to equity ETFs as well, and that's "Maximum Annual Management Fee" and "Management Expense Ration" (the MER). Can you explain the difference between the two, and how should investors interpret these numbers when they see them on any ETF in the marketplace? What would you consider a higher vs low MER?

7. ETF fact sheets typically have an annualized performance section where they show how the ETF performed relative to its index. For ETFs that are looking to match the index, what would be considered a reasonable spread between the two vs a concerning number?

8. One page that seems especially critical to evaluate, whether evaluating a bond ETF or an equity ETF, is the "Holdings" page where we see all the investments that the ETF contains. Let's pretend that you just pulled up a core bond ETF like ZAG and went to its holdings page. What would you look for and how would you analyze and interpret the data that you see there? (for anybody that wants to follow along, you can go to BuildWealthCanada.ca/zag and that will forward you there) and click on the holdings tab.

Areas to cover:

• Sector allocation
• Geographic allocation
• Maturity
• Credit allocation

Are there any other areas that you think are critical to look at, and if an investor is feeling overwhelmed by the large amount of bond ETFs out there and is getting into a bit of paralysis analysis, what would you recommend as their next step?

9. Can you speak to the relationship that bonds have with rising interest rates, and at what point do we start to take advantage of those higher interest rates in our bond portfolio to offset the drop in price that occurs when interest rates go up?

10. For anybody looking to learn more, can you tell us more about ETF Market Insights, the YouTube channel, and any other resources listeners may find helpful?

Today I'm extremely excited to have Canadian best-selling author, Andrew Hallam back on the show. His first book, Millionaire Teacher continues to be the #1 best seller in the Investment and Portfolio Management category on Amazon.

He is one of the world's most prolific financial wellness speakers and over the past 16 years, he has given hundreds of talks in over 30 different countries espousing research on financial wellness, sound investing and life satisfaction.

He has been investing in the stock market for 32 years, having built a million-dollar portfolio on a schoolteacher's salary when he was in his late 30s.

In today's interview with Andrew, we cover the subject of how to achieve balance, and how to maximize your happiness, health, and wealth.

We also cover what to expect and how to maintain balance after having hit your financial independence number. Lots of early retirees in the FIRE movement and traditional retirees continue to do some sort of productive paid work. Why is that, and is it realistic to never work again after you retire?

As you can imagine, generating some minor income after retirement, doing something you love, can drastically decrease how much money you actually need to retire from your day job, potentially letting you leave that job you may dislike or be bored with many years earlier.

Since Andrew is already financially independent, we dissect how Andrew has found that balance in his life between taking on meaningful and fulfilling work, and balancing that with leisure, health, and happiness.

Questions Covered:

1. When a lot of people, myself included start their financial independence journey, the goal is to never work again and that becomes a major motivator to accumulate all those savings to be able to retire. Yet from my own experience and after interviewing many other early retirees, I've noticed a pattern where most if not all still end up doing some sort of productive work or something that could be classified as "work" even though they don't have to, since they've already reached their financial independence number. Did you have the same experience as you moved from the accumulation stage to the financial independence and retirement stage, and from your experience what have you found to be a good balance in your own life?

2. You've spoken with many other early retirees who I assume had a similar experience in terms of that progression from initially never wanting to work again and live a life of leisure permanently, versus eventually realizing that there needs to be a balance to achieve sustainable happiness. Have you noticed any patterns from those you've talked to in terms of how they were able to find sustainable happiness and what that balance was for them in order to achieve it?

3. After reading your book, it becomes very clear that health and longevity is something that is a high priority for you, and should be for all of us since what's the point of accumulating all this wealth and retiring if you don't live long enough to enjoy it.From the research that you've done, what have you found to be the best practices to maximize our health and longevity?

1. 1. Nutrition?
   2. Types of exercise and frequency?
   3. Cancer prevention?
   4. Stress control?
   5. Energy maximization?

4. In terms of maximizing happiness in retirement, is there a routine that you follow during any part of your day that works well for you? Or do you take a more fluid, go-with-the-flow approach, where things are more spontaneous?

5. Do you find that goal setting and trying to achieve growth and improvement in retirement adds to your happiness and fulfilment? Or do you take the approach of trying to just be happy with where you are, living in the moment, as opposed to continuously striving for more?

6. Please tell us again where we can learn more from you and get your latest book.

When it comes to the safe portion of our portfolio, we've talked about GICs and high-interest savings accounts before, but one option that we haven't talked about yet, is one that gives you guaranteed income for life, no matter what the markets are doing, and those are called annuities.

So, I thought it would be good for you and me to get some annuities 101 knowledge under our belts, so that we can better understand what's out there, what are the pros and cons of annuities, and so that we can better determine if they are something that we should look into further, based on each of our particular situations.

To learn more about this, I thought it would be good to get our information from two different sources. The first, would be fee-for-service financial planners who don't actually create or sell annuities, but are responsible for potentially using annuities as part of a total financial plan.

With that in mind, I'm definitely going to be asking financial planners that I interview in the future about annuities, so that we can get a holistic view and multiple perspectives on the subject.

The other source of information that I thought would be good to interview, is an actual creator of annuities. This way we're getting the information right from the source about how they actually work, their intent, the pros and cons, and how they can potentially fit as part of a financial plan.

To help me with this, I have Selene Soo on the show. She is the Director of Product Strategy and Development in the area of Wealth Management over at RBC. She has been there for over 17 years, and has been in the industry itself for over 2 decades, so she definitely has a wealth of experience and knowledge when it comes to annuities.

I thought I'd pick her brain so that we can get a solid foundation on annuities, and one question that I've been extremely curious to ask someone like her that's actually in the industry, is for those of us who don't have a defined benefit pension through our work (for example, those of us that are not government works, teachers, police officers etc.), is there a way that we can get the type of guaranteed income for life in retirement that the government workers get, by using annuities?

We definitely get into that question, plus a lot more. Thanks for tuning in, enjoy the learning, and now let's get into the interview.