During the Munich Strategy Forum 2019, host Mark Leonard sat down Toomas Ilves, the former president of Estonia aka the first smart country and “digital nation” in the world. What could we learn from this small EU member state when it comes to digitalisation? How did the digital revolution change foreign relations and international relations? And what role does Europe play it in? Frankly, does it play any role at all? Toomas Ilves points out how the lack of a common digital market puts the EU behind in advancing innovation and digitalisation in the 21st century. He urges Europe to finally merge the “two cultures” of sciences/tech and humanities to become a digital player in the world. This podcast was recorded on 2 December 2019.Bookshelf:• Two cultures by C.P. Snow • LikeWar: The Weaponization of Social Media by Peter W. Singer • The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for the Future at the New Frontier of Power by Shoshana Zuboff

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