Using both the pulpit and the page, Quaker pastor Philip Gulley has been a bold voice that challenges the church’s stance on heaven and hell, LGBTQ issues, and more. As he’s seen greater censorship in the publishing world, Phil has moved to an online newsletter where he questions the rise of Donald Trump and calls Christians to be more active in the pursuit of truth and justice.

In this interview, Jon speaks with Phil about his changing beliefs in God, his focus post-election, and much more.

Visit the episode page for a transcript, links and discussion questions.

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