Using both the pulpit and the page, Quaker pastor Philip Gulley has been a bold voice that challenges the church’s stance on heaven and hell, LGBTQ issues, and more. As he’s seen greater censorship in the publishing world, Phil has moved to an online newsletter where he examines the rise of Donald Trump and calls on Christians to be more active in the pursuit of truth and justice.

In this interview, Jon speaks with Phil about Christian nationalism, his focus post-election, and much more.

This episode was originally released on February 12, 2025. Check out our full archives for more stories of spiritual courage.

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