Patrick has a long and thoughtful discussion with Vicki, a caller who identifies herself as Catholic but pro-choice. He tries to get her to see the parallels between a person’s right to bodily autonomy in the face of a vaccine mandate which compels vaccines to help other people stay safe, and the fact that the unborn baby also has a right to stay safe. This conversation was very helpful in demonstrating the Illogic and incoherence of the pro-choice position.