Dive into a mind-blowing deep dive where Malcolm and Simone Collins expose the Jedi Order as the ultimate villains of the Star Wars universe! Forget the heroic myths—this episode breaks down how the Jedi are controlled by a parasitic hive mind (midi-chlorians), enforce child kidnapping and soldier training, uphold a dystopian Republic riddled with corruption and slavery, and lie about the true nature of the Force. Drawing from canon lore like The Clone Wars, prequels, and even the Mortis arc, we argue Palpatine was right, Anakin did nothing wrong, and the Empire might actually be the good guys. Plus, real-world parallels to parasites like toxoplasmosis and cultural brainwashing. Is Star Wars secretly a horror story? Buckle up for facts, rants, and a killer outro!

Episode Transcript

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be talking about how the Jedi order from the Star Wars universe is quite possibly the most evil organization in any sci-fi universe I have ever read.

Simone Collins: They are actual scum. They are actual scum.

Malcolm Collins: They are. When you, when you actually think about it, you’re like, oh my God. The Star Wars universe under the Republic was a complete dystopia and the empire was needed. Palpatine was right. So, and, and I, I’m not gonna make stretches here. I’m not gonna bend outside the lore. You’re just gonna stage

Simone Collins: facts,

Malcolm Collins: the lore of mm-hmm.

The Star Wars universe. So. Right.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: They have these symbiotic organisms called MIT chloron. Mm-hmm. Now you could say they’re symbiotic, but they’re really [00:01:00] not symbiotic. They’re more parasitic. , Why do I say that? They’re parasitic rather than symbiotic. Well, because when they reach high enough levels in a host, that host loses their ability to breed.

IE the Jedi have to be celibate.

And it’s made very clear if you have too high a level of this parasitic inflection. If your mitol count is too high, you deal with extreme negative side effects, or at least this is what those infected with the parasite and who follow its will say extreme negative side effects if you attempt to breed.

So this. Parasitic organisms that lives in humanoids. They ha has a hive mind that we call the, the light side of the force that they worship. They have to serve the will of it. By the way, it, it lies to them about its true nature provably in the, the, the Star Wars universe.

Oh,

Simone Collins: does it? They

Malcolm Collins: they have [00:02:00] to. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn’t create the force or anything like that. The, the force is, we learned the history of the force and the mortis arc. So it is a. Parasitic hive mind that is lying to them about how it grants them presumably magic like powers. Then they sort the entire society of the universe into a hierarchy based on your level of infection by this parasite.

Simone Collins: God,

Malcolm Collins: this is, I mean this is just, just any fact. Any

Simone Collins: fact, yes.

Malcolm Collins: When, when, when they go and they find Anakin.

Simone Collins: Oh

Malcolm Collins: yeah. Right. They’re like, oh, he has X white chloron count, which means that one day he, he could be one of the most powerful Jedi ever. Mm. Right. I haven’t even gone into the child kidnapping and stuff like that yet, which we will get to.

Oh,

Simone Collins: child soldiers? Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, no. They have literal child soldiers. When Anakin [00:03:00] went in there, and I’ll go, I’ll elaborate on this in more detail, and he killed the young Lings. That was a completely justified thing to do. Within that context, we see those very sane young lings in other shots, and I’m talking about like of the movie, like not even like extended stuff, practicing with light sabers, the single most dangerous weapon in the entire universe.

Okay? These are children,

Simone Collins: they’re not like broken, not, not, stick swords, but laser. Laser swords.

Malcolm Collins: Laser swords, they’re not even paying, was like wooden AK 40 sevens. Now the laser swords are turned down in these

Simone Collins: oh,

Malcolm Collins: okay.

Speaker: Huh? What do you think? I think you finished your lightsaber.

Find out.

Malcolm Collins: Well we learned that [00:04:00] in, it’s not confirmed in like the movie that they’re turned down.

Simone Collins: Oh.

Malcolm Collins: But somebody I think realized how bad this looked.

Simone Collins: Oh, they’re on safety mode. It’s okay.

Malcolm Collins: This is a, a, a parasitic organism that has taken control. Of the entire galaxy. Right?

This is Unironically what Jedi Apologists sound like.

Speaker 7: Open the door. It is so much better. There’s no fear or pain. It’s beautiful. And you We’ll be beautiful. No problems or worries. We want you. No pain, Stan? We’re gonna come in here and I’ll show you some pain!

Malcolm Collins: Like, because it keep in mind the Jedi Act as a secret police force of unelected officials where your entrance into the secret police force you are.

Taken as a child raised on their provably wrong ideology that the force should be worshiped. And when you listen to the [00:05:00] little voice in your head that’s created by these parasites, you are doing something definitionally good. And if you go against the little voice in your head created by these, the, the parasitic hive mind, you are doing something definitionally bad, IE or are you saying the

Simone Collins: course is toxoplasmosis?

Malcolm Collins: The force is toxoplasmosis. Oh my God. And so what we’ll go into in this episode is this entire universe is a universe where toxoplasmosis won over humanity, an abortion death and humanity is, and it’s trying to get us used to this idea as a good thing that it would be a good thing to give your children to the toxoplasmosis people to be raised with their ideology and trained as a child soldier.

And when I say trained as a child soldier, you could be like, well, they’re just trained as a child soldier. They don’t actually go out and. Fight and murder people when they’re children. Honey, within Star Lords cannon,

Simone Collins: oh,

Malcolm Collins: ano. The first time we meet ano on murder missions. By the way, she is 14. [00:06:00] This is treated as completely normal.

In the Star Wars universe, if we look at the extended cannon, it appears that children begin to start participating in missions where they might be killed or expected to kill someone at the age of 10. No, this is a war crime.

Simone Collins: Well, they, they fit into the small spaces. Malcolm, you have to understand it’s a.

Malcolm Collins: Literally that’s part of plots with Padawans is that they can fit in smaller spaces. I think in some of the clone words. Yes. Yes. This is real. By the way, if you’re like, oh, but the children are always taken with consent. One, literally, we know from Canon that this is not true. There is one case in which a child is taken this might be in Legends, but I think it’s canon.

I’ll, I’ll confirm later in the episode. But taken from a disaster zone and they weren’t sure if the parents were alive [00:07:00] and oh, then. Brought to the Jedi and raised to the Jedi, and then the mother finds out later and she’s still alive, and she petitions the Jedi and the Jedi refused to give the child back to her saying that now that the force has been quote unquote awakened in the child, it is too dangerous to give the child back to the mother.

So when they say stuff like, well, mothers always consent to this, families always consent to this. What the Jedi are doing is they’re basically coming with the trans argument. They say, your kid will be a danger to themselves. They’ll be a danger to society. You know, they could join the dark side and we’ll have to come and put them down.

Basically, if you don’t transition, you’ll kill yourself. Like that’s the, that’s what they’re telling them about their kids. So you have to give us the kids. And we also know that. They definitely didn’t always use consent. How do we know that? They definitely didn’t always use consent. Well, this one unfortunately comes from Legends.

But if if we wanna go with Canon, you could use acolyte to show that there is coercion used in taking children sometimes. Okay. I [00:08:00] literally view acolyte as less cannon than legends.

Simone Collins: Agreed.

Malcolm Collins: So let’s go to legends.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: From legends, we know that there was a Hut Jedi.

All right. Now,

Simone Collins: really? Wow.

Malcolm Collins: He turned evil. Ended up ruling a planet for thousands of years. As a sis it’s a story arc, but anyway,

Simone Collins: I just feel like huts lack the agility. To

Malcolm Collins: wait. I And that’s what made him cool, right?

Simone Collins: Am am I spec ra species racist? And this is,

Malcolm Collins: so the

Simone Collins: thing about

Malcolm Collins: huts, if you know anything about the Star Wars can showing my nerd color here, right.

Simone Collins: I feel very embarrassed. ‘cause my my literal OkCupid name was Moss Isley and I was. My photos were of me and film grade Stormtrooper Armor, but I was just genuinely using it as a lure to catch dudes. Like, I don’t actually know. There was, what’s also

Malcolm Collins: funny about all of this, you hear me crashing out about Star Wars lore right here.

I literally haven’t seen the last Star Wars movie because it looks so bad. Yeah.

Simone Collins: Well, no, I, to the true fan will not engage with that.

Malcolm Collins: I, I haven’t watched any of the, [00:09:00] but if you know huts stuff. Okay.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Huts are you, you’re not gonna get. For, so first of all, there’s a few problems with taking a hut, youngling.

One problem is it a hut 3-year-old, because they say three years old is like the right age, and by the age that they’re nine that they would that that fee considered too old because Anakin’s considered too old. Right? Oh, well. At the age of nine, a hut is still sort of like a larval slug. It carried around like a kangaroo and like a parent’s patch.

Like they’re not being taken out and taken to the temple for training. They wouldn’t be s sl that until they were like, well past 50. But here you’re talking about like, yeah, but

Simone Collins: I mean, these are, these are hut years, you know, like dog years. It’s different

Malcolm Collins: dog years. And we can say, okay, well, like with the Yoda species.

The hut species may have different rules for when they can enter. Sure, but here’s the other problem. An equivalent hut at the age of three, especially a four sensitive hut, [00:10:00] the hut would never, never given their culture allow a child at that age to be taken and raised by the Jedi. The hut species is on multiple occasions, canonically shown.

When a hut infant goes missing huts are far more obsessive parents than any species we see in the entire Star Wars universe.

Simone Collins: Oh, so they’re the the Mama Bear of the Star Wars universe?

Malcolm Collins: Well, it’s not just the mama bear. When Baby huts, because this has happened I think twice in Canon that I’m aware of.

When something threatens a baby hut or a baby hut goes missing, it’s immediately the, the entire. Interplanetary criminal syndicate is activated of, oh my God, I saw the

Simone Collins: cuts go.

Malcolm Collins: Alright, go Fing nuts. When a baby is taken they, it, it is, it is. Their entire criminal syndicate basically turns into baby search [00:11:00] force.

Now, mind you, in this case, it would not just be a baby that went missing. It would be a force sensitive baby that the huts would definitely want to keep and train to do something involving forced sensitivity.

Simone Collins: Fair. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So it’s completely implausible. Even if there was some sort of destruction, city destruction and this one hut was rescued that the huts didn’t have.

World spanning criminal syndicate searching for that child. Now, why would you

Simone Collins: tithe your talent to this organization that does nothing for your people when you could use that talent for your people?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, when the Jedi are like definitionally they just wouldn’t happen. So we know that they practice it.

They just tell you they don’t practice it because a lot of Star Wars you’re seeing from the perspective of the Jedi. And we also know that the Jedi thought that if there was a force sensitive that could turn to evil. They shouldn’t be given back to their own [00:12:00] people. So that would make sense if they saw four Sensitive Hut, that they would kidnap it.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: It’s like a

Simone Collins: wmd. They got

Malcolm Collins: us. Yeah. Given the logic they, they showed in this other context. Right.

Simone Collins: Gotta catch ‘em all. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Now I want to make very clear here that this is like extremely explicit in the Star Wars universe.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Your level of power and you as like a casual fan, you are aware your level of power is hugely mitigated by your level of MIT Chloron.

Simone Collins: Yes.

Malcolm Collins: And your level of MIT Chloron is. Part genetic, part random, but definitely has nothing to do with how much effort you put into things. It is literally just your level of parasitic infection. And that parasitic infection has the ability to quote unquote guide you, right? So this isn’t like a normal parasitic infection.

This is a parasitic infection that through a hive mind is partially influencing your actions and you have decided to base [00:13:00] society. Hierarchies around this infection now get to the point where I just point out that it, it, it. It lies. So at the, at the from Jedi philosophy, they say that MIT chlorines are the foundation of all life. Okay. EEG that like life evolved outta MIT chlorines or they are key to living things.

We know from legends, at least from the Yuson Vong, that this is definitionally not true. You can have living things with No, my accords.

Simone Collins: Oh, really? Okay.

Malcolm Collins: We also know how Jedi treat living things that are low. MIT chlorines. What is specifically made to have low MIT chlorines in the Star Wars universe?

Clone troopers. Oh, no. Disposable what? Yes. What? So, so,

Simone Collins: like actually,

Malcolm Collins: yeah, and, and keep in mind they, they not only call them the foundation of all life, but Qin goes so far as a state without my chloron, [00:14:00] life could not exist. Okay. Note here, we don’t only know this from the. Vaughn. Mm-hmm. We also know that the MIT chlorines are not key to either the inception or the maintenance of Flo Forest throughout the universe.

Mm-hmm. They just appear to be able to sort of hijack its power, because that seems to be tied to the mortis arc. I don’t wanna go that deep into the mortis arc because it’s incredibly trippy and crazy. But, basically the force is created by sort of a Greek god’s like tragedy of supernatural forces representing two children in a fight on a planet that is almost sort of like.

Changing and holographic in its nature. And that they at one point interact with Anakin in Asoka. So that’s a, a thing that happens in Canon, but it basically shows that there is actually some sort of. Religious truth [00:15:00] underpinning the force. And it is not the parasitic hive mind, but the parasitic hive mind appears to be able to use it to through the Jedi.

And this is how we know that the Jedi don’t worship the real force. I have never seen anything in the Jedi’s teaching that reflects that they are aware of this supernatural mortis plane that defines the force’s true nature. Okay. They say things that you would only say. If a parasite was controlling you, eeg, MIT chlorines are necessary for all life and the foundation of all life.

Now, you

Simone Collins: can say, okay, so let me, let me ask you a question here. And maybe you don’t know the answer to this. Was George Lucas involved in this additional. Yeah. Expansion. The, the prequels and the prequels introduced Am mi chlor. Oh, he did? Okay. Okay. Because I thought, you know, when you think back to the originals, which is what I watched over and over again, [00:16:00] there was just, oh, there’s a great disturbance in the force, or use the force.

But it was more just, it, I, I interpreted it as a child, as an equivalent to Q Energy.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And nothing more.

Malcolm Collins: But he, but he changed that, so, oh, okay. We’ve got it. And he changed it a long time ago. This was changed in at least the first of the prequels, potentially earlier than that. Fans can correct me here but it was pretty clearly laid out that MIT chlorine count mattered when they were scouting for Anakin.

Yeah. And that’s where we get a lot of the lore on Mittal Chloron. So that is old. That is decades old. That is core Star Wars Lord. And the Mortis arc, which contradicts that from the Clone Wars. I don’t think anybody wants to clone war not to be Canon. It’s literally, I think, the best Star Wars story ever told.

And George Lucas specifically was involved in the mortis arc lore. Oh. So he specifically both created the Mi Jedi saying, MIT chloron are the core thing that matters to all life. That’s where all force comes from and specifically showed. That is [00:17:00] also factually untrue. And so the MIT Chlor and Hive mind is lying to you about that.

George,

Simone Collins: something bad happened to him because I learned this week that Kathleen Kennedy worked for Lucas Film. Was his assistant.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. That’s why they never fire her because she tries to claim credit for like old Lucas stuff. And when he handed it all over to her he, I mean he had said in the past, he feels really betrayed by her.

She basically betrayed, went full on with Disney. They used her connection to, I mean, she destroyed the property for them. She did,

Simone Collins: absolutely.

Malcolm Collins: I just

Simone Collins: didn’t, I thought that she was inserted by Disney.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, no, no, no. She basically tried to twist and destroy everything. Star Wars. But I’m pointing out that Star Wars has always been evil.

Mm-hmm. Star Wars has always been about the bugs, right? Like Star Wars is a universe where a parasite controls all homage life. And attempts to subjugate it against his own biological interest. Disgusting. Keep in mind, what were the core sins of Palpatine and Kant Duku that [00:18:00] are constantly repeated is that they were human supremacists and they wanted

Simone Collins: I was just gonna say that.

Yeah. They actually cared about humanity. Oh my God. How dare they,

Malcolm Collins: their own biological reproduction.

The Star Wars universe is a universe where basically the faculty happened and the parasite won.

Malcolm Collins: So you can say, here, wait, wait, wait, wait. The Jedi promote balance. Right. Except, and this is super canid from the, not just the clone wars, but also they, they protect balance and they protect a democracy.

Right? Like the, the, the, the Federation is a democracy, right? Okay. First of the Clone Wars focuses very heavily on one planet’s representative. Was she elected? No, she’s a hereditary monarch.

Simone Collins: Oh, was she

Malcolm Collins: Princess? Vidala

Simone Collins: Princess? She, she was born, she’s a

Malcolm Collins: princess. She’s a hereditary [00:19:00] monarch.

Simone Collins: Should have figured, but I guess, yeah.

And it’s

Malcolm Collins: not just her. We see this in the the newer I haven’t watched it yet. The, the, the one that

Simone Collins: oh God. In Princess Le Yeah. They, they were definitely nepo babies. Oh, crap.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Princess Leia inherited her title as Princess from her mother. That is a hereditary monarchy.

Simone Collins: Oh boy.

Malcolm Collins: So, and, and not only that, not only that, the Federation actually has seats, and this is very well established in the.

It has stets for the that are, that are held by people with corporate board positions. Specifically. We know here of the

trade federation, the banking clan, and the techno union.

But the the, the, the ones who are running the fricking blockade. They are not even planets. They are corporate board members who have a vote in a government alongside hereditary monarchs. In fact, it seems that the vast minority [00:20:00] of planets, we, we see planets in the federation that are outright autocracies. We see planets that have single hive mind rulers like the Ians we, we, and that federation seems to have no problem with this at all. It is a corrupt, dictatorial regime with a semblance of voting, I guess, among the elites. The Jedi, what, what are they out there doing? They’re out there solving trade disputes to keep the money rolling while in co the capital. There is such a rampant drug problem that one of the Jedi gets offered death sticks like a, a drug that ah, in the branding it can effing

Simone Collins: Well, that sounds fun.

Malcolm Collins: And he doesn’t arrest the guy,

Simone Collins: honestly, though. That just sounds like what a crunchy mom or almond mom would call pixie sticks. So,

Malcolm Collins: so I, I, and I’m pretty sure in that scene it is obvious that he’s a Jedi.

Speaker 3: [00:21:00] Thinker, you wanna buy some death sticks.

Malcolm Collins: So this is a world where in the Capitol you can walk up to. A cop or a secret police mm-hmm. And offer them a deadly and addictive narcotic.

And they will do nothing about that. They don’t even care. It’s not even of importance to them. Worse, we know about giant slaving operations that are going on during this time period by the bat ear people. We know

Simone Collins: the batier people. Do

Malcolm Collins: we know that the yeah, this is, this is from the clone war. I, I can’t remember the species names, but they have an entire interplanetary slave empire that the Jedi do nothing about while spending their time on trade disputes.

We, and, and wiping out people simply for having different beliefs about the forests. We’ll get to that in a second, but they’ve wipe out relatively benign species for having slightly [00:22:00] different beliefs about the forests. So they, they the huts are allowed to just continue their operation. A Jedi goes to a hut planet.

This is how little the Jedi care about slavery. So he goes to a hut planet, right? Again, this is as canon as you can get. This is like the first of the prequels. He sees people in slavery. He sees a child in slavery that he wants to take back to the Jedi order and use mm-hmm. As a child, soldier, human weapon.

That’s why he’s excited about him. His high olian count. That is why he frees him from slavery. He frees him through slavery by cheating in a game of cards or a a dice game. And then does not free his mother from slavery. He just effing leaves her as a slave.

Simone Collins: Well, it’s far more convenient that way. You wanna separate them from their parents anyway, so.

Malcolm Collins: Well, right. They would create problems with the Jedi [00:23:00] order if they free. Yeah, you

gotta

Simone Collins: get her outta the picture. What better way they could

Malcolm Collins: just double down like bet you know the ship bet, the droids bet something else. He doesn’t double down. He and, and, and keep in mind, like slaves, human, humanoid slaves in the Star Wars universe are not that valuable.

No, they’re certainly not as valuable as like his ship, right? Like they’re, they’re fairly easy to get and they make more of themselves, right? Mm-hmm. Like the, the, the arbitrary cruelty of that I think shows like The Jedi are really about separating children from their parents, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah. And that was, I mean, I think that was pretty clear.

In the first prequel movie. It, it’s a pretty heart wrenching scene when they part ways and they make it seem ethically dubious, I think sufficiently well. I think also part of me, I have to ask you, how much of this is intentional actually making the Jedi look bad? And I ask that because it’s [00:24:00] not intentional at all.

Well, hold on though. I, I feel like there is, there’s some evidence for intentional. If sometimes botched trolling first? I just don’t know. I mean, there is a huge, huge of like the Star Wars cosplay universe of people who just love being storm troopers and STH lords. It’s not like everyone wants to be a Jedi.

And they also intentionally gave, I mean obviously to, because they wanted to make them look like the Third Reich, but they gave the, the. And, and basically anyone who’s on the dark side, way better costumes, but there is a very large like, fan community that prefers to, to cosplay the quote unquote bad guys.

And unless the storytellers are, you know, in, in intentionally trying to make the bad guys terrible, you know, people aren’t gonna do that. Also, there’s the whole Georgia Banks thing of being a [00:25:00] a, a Si Lord. Aspen Gold pointed out that he really thinks there’s strong, strong evidence that when they made the first movie, they really were trying to set up, charge our banks as a sih lord, and they chickened out on it.

Because of the fan response to him. And he says that because of the amount of, of money and time that appears to have been spent on animating him and having him like look certain ways that would only be necessary in that kind of plot scenario. Otherwise they wouldn’t have invested as much in how do, how

Malcolm Collins: he engage with that theory right now?

I I I, I do not know if I agree with

Simone Collins: you. Well, I just, I feel like there might have been some like 40 chess or maybe some renegade like tellers in there who are.

Malcolm Collins: Fans would be happier with Jar Jar being a cis lord. Yeah. In the same way fans of Scooby-Doo were happy when they made the Scooby-Doo movie and Scrappy turned out to be the big villain.

That was like a nod to what the fans had always wanted, right? Like Jar Jar being cis Lord fans would’ve loved that they chickened out in [00:26:00] not making him a Well, I mean, in, in, in,

Simone Collins: you think? Well, I, I think the adult fans hated them. I think the kid fans loved him. Just like the kid fans. I, we know this.

Malcolm Collins: Before I go further here, I, I wanna make absolutely clear here, mon the core point I’m making here, definitely not intended by Lucas. Lucas did not realize that he was writing a script where a secret police force controlled by a hive mind parasite that was lying to people about the nature of the force.

Controlled the universe. That was definitely, he didn’t understand when he introduced MIT chlorine that that actually, because now you’re not listening to some mystical energy. You’re listening to a lying parasite that tells you anybody who doesn’t follow the will of the lying parasite is definitionally evil.

And the extent to which the Jedi believe this. You can see when the moment they realize, ‘cause what. Finds a dark side user in Canon is that they don’t listen to the parasite. They [00:27:00] don’t listen to what they call the will of the force, right? The moment that they realize that, palpatine is a dark side user not knowing any of his crimes, not knowing anything else.

They immediately attempt to murder him, execute him without trial. Alright? Mm-hmm. If you do not follow their beliefs about following the parasite, you are slated for immediate execution of Star Wars. Lord. Yeah. I do not think, I mean, in. And you know, the, the minds of the writers, they’re like, well, you know, we’ve written that, that Palpatine has done a lot of terrible things, so it’s okay.

Like, I don’t care that the Jedi are going to execute him. They’re not sinking through.

Simone Collins: That this is an extra judicial killing.

Malcolm Collins: This is an extra judicial killing

Simone Collins: political figure.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Of a Of a, of a sitting, a head official in the government. Like a senator.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Right. Not just a senator, but [00:28:00] a leading senator like

Simone Collins: elected.

Malcolm Collins: Of one of the political parties of the entire galaxy that is being carried out simply because he doesn’t follow the will of a parasitic organism that communicates with us through a form of like mind control.

Simone Collins: Oops.

Malcolm Collins: And we do know that the force can be used by mind for mind control. So we don’t know how mind controlled the Jedi actually are, which brings me to the Anakin, did nothing.

Simone Collins: Oh.

Malcolm Collins: So you’ve got the child soldiers that we’re talking about here, but actually consider the fate of these children. These are children who were taken from their families at very young ages, typically around three, raised in this belief system. Trained from around the age of I

Simone Collins: know, but now you’re, no, because then now you’re trying to like Sandy hook this.

And no, it, it’s never justified to hurt young people. I don’t care if their lives are gonna be,

Malcolm Collins: I, I, so you, you are looking at [00:29:00] them as a normal young people who had a chance of growing up into normal human beings. Whereas I look at them much closer to. Young people who unfortunately are infected with like a pod person parasite and are going to grow up because keep in mind, how do Jedi reproduce, right?

Like once you reach the level of infection of one of these young people, how do you reproduce? Well now because you live your life in dedication to the parasite, the way these young people will make more dead is they will go and they will coerce families to give them their infants at the age of three.

Reproduced by kidnapping other people’s children at this point, like the, there is no good that they can really do for the universe at this level of infection. They are extremely dangerous to leave alive. And what’s more here is. Anica didn’t have control of everything. Like suppose he had taken all of the young links, he took some of them and raised them as dark siders.

[00:30:00] Right? But suppose he had tried to take all of them and raised them as dark siders, like just from this original set, there would’ve been enough rebellions and enough break offs from their time in the temple that you’d be dealing with constant Jedi rebellions. In fact, I would even go so far as to argue that the.

Way that Palpatine executed. Order 66 was the single most ethical way to remove the pod person infestation of the empire. So you have leading all sorts of troops people who we know have pod person infections, a parasite that is partially controlling their minds and that they follow as a religion, right?

Mm-hmm. What you don’t wanna have happen is a civil war, right? Like you do not want a full Jedi led civil war that would’ve been. Truly devastating to the empire, right? So you have this small sale controlled civil war, which was done through the, the civil War with the separatists, right? You get all of the Jedi basically alone with clone troopers.

You then [00:31:00] execute an order to have all the clone troopers execute them without any real pushback, which went really well. We got a on order, 66 went like Maduro level raid. Well, mm-hmm. Palpatine and Trump. I see some similarities there. Then you’ve gotta deal with these young brainwashed people at the temple, right?

And potentially resetting up this pod person controlling the, that’s an existential threat to the human species. Everything that the Jedi do is just for the betterment of the parasite. It’s for the safety of the parasite, and it’s for the betterment of the parasite. That’s what they’re doing when they’re doing for the will of the parasite, they find.

High parasite count individuals, they raise them and they use them to maintain safety in a universe where this parado parasite exists.

Yeah, from four to eight, they tried light saber training, so heavy weapons training from four to eight. We know that they saw action as young as 13 because OB one canonically saw action as young as 13.

Simone Collins: Oh, wow.

Malcolm Collins: Although there, there, there is, I mean, that’s a child soldier. Yeah. That is a [00:32:00] child soldier.

Simone Collins: 100%.

Malcolm Collins: We do know of, of some. Padawans being sent into action as young as 10. It, it appears to be implied, like if OB one was sent in and it’s not talked about as weird at 13, I would assume 10 at least.

Now let’s, let’s talk about how they. Pick children, right? So we know it’s typically between three and five. We know that families are pushed with this idea of, oh, it’s an honor. They’re going to live a better life if they go live with the Jedi. But this is actually deeply messed up if you think about it for like a second.

Because what it means is the. Parasite that controls the Jedi order and has created this fake religion around itself that it has created such a ubiquitous understanding in the universe that if you are born arbitrarily with the high level of the parasite, that you will live a better life than everyone else.

And this is so commonly accepted that parents will give up their three to 5-year-old children to a [00:33:00] religious order.

Simone Collins: A militaristic religious order.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Imagine how like one. You’d have to just have a, a default understanding. Oh, if you have a high parasite, you just live this life of a God in this world.

Right? Like of course we send out our children. Right? Or that you fear the Jedi coming to kill your kids as a dark cider later, right? Or that you like. That’s us horrifying. And I think another really horrifying thing that’s made incredibly clear is when they say that they don’t even want to take nine year olds.

Right, that the brainwashing is, if you say a 9-year-old is too old for the brainwashing techniques that you are using as an organization, those brain drop washing techniques need to be severe and systemic. Right. Like imagine you heard of a religious order that turned away people who joined other than nine, because they usually ended up turning against the order later.

If they joined as old as nine, they had that [00:34:00] much external programming. You’d be like, oh, they’re, they’re big evil. Right? Like that would be your assumption, right?

Simone Collins: It’s bad. It’s a bad,

Malcolm Collins: yeah.

Simone Collins: Sorry, hold on, hold on.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, they’re

Simone Collins: basically

Malcolm Collins: telling the, the clearest example that I was talking about where you had the, the kid who was taken by the Jedi and the parents asked for them back. This is the baby Lundy arc. And it’s canon adjacent the case in which you have them attempting to wipe out somebody for simply having different religious beliefs about the forest eeg.

They don’t follow the parasite. And this is very clear, they don’t follow the parasite in the acolyte. I hate that it’s canon, but it is canon. So if, if we’re using something here, they view the force as the thread a connective. Destiny binding energy, not a widespread power with light and dark sides.

They use collective rituals which are seen as dark or unnatural [00:35:00] by the Jedi. And this escalates to a conflict with the Jedi where they are all wiped out

and they’re children who were forced sensitive do end up being taken. I mean. Plaus by Consent by the Jedi which is really, really shady.

But if you say, I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna look at them, I wanna look at legends. Well, then you have the, the hut joining there, right? I’d also point out here. That you have the Knight Sisters, which are very canon. This is from Clone Clone Wars, which again, I think is, is the best where they practice a force called magic, A communal, ritual based power drawn from Das War’s Icker Green Energy Myth.

Emphasizing spells, incantations and sisterhood bonds over individual mind, chlorine infection. They, they do not talk about MIT chlorine infections. As far as I know, there’s, there’s no instance of the Knight Sisters saying that the forest works through this organism that infects people.

They actually appear to have a. Truer [00:36:00] understanding of the actual force than the Jedi have of the actual force. And more people in their society appear to be able to use the force than is possible through the parasitic mechanism that the Jedi use. So they have powers that we do not see Jedi have, like the ability to resurrect the dead.

EG the zombie argue in clone wars. Terraform become invisible pulling from what Jedi call the dark side, but without the Jedi suppression of passion. So keep in mind they’re able to do all of this without suppressing emotion, passion, or reproduction.

This is actually very important. These people appear to be able to use the force with higher capacity than the Jedi do. In many areas. They, they appear to be able to do many things that the Jedi simply cannot do. , On top of that, they seem to be able to do them without suppressing their emotions, without becoming celibate.

And they do not [00:37:00] believe in we, we see no evidence that they believe that force powers are a result of MIT chloron. It is only the Jedi who believed this. The Jedi believe this because the MIT chlorines are controlling them and lying to them about where their force powers come from.

And if you’re a Jedi defender and you wanna say, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They, they don’t, they don’t have , a better understanding of the force than the Jedi do. Then the, the Jedi have huge, huge, huge limitations that come from fourth usage. They can’t form attachments. They can’t love, they can’t have passion.

They can’t, they can’t reproduce, really except for some rare instances. The night sisters have none of those limitations. And yet can perform many things with apparently little effort that the Jedi cannot do. I don’t know how else you explain that then that their understanding of the force is simply truer or better than the Jedi if they don’t have these extremely [00:38:00] severe limitations and yet have as much power.

They even have a, a matriarchal class, right? Yet the Jedi, upon seeing them, their first thought is.

The fact that they see the force differently than us makes them darkside, thus an existential threat. Thus, we need to exterminate them and they do in, in many cases, run extermination campaigns against them. In Canon. Mind you, right? Like, yes, dark cider have pulled from them before. This is a species that Darth Mall came from.

But they’re not all bad. As we see the venous works with the Jedi on. Multiple occasions. And , the matriarchs we see as being potentially even like good aligned, right? And these are the ones who run their society. By the way, mace Windu is the one who authorizes Dukus genocide of the Sun Clan on Darth Moore in the comics,

Simone Collins: ah,

Malcolm Collins: let’s, if you wanna get into the mortis [00:39:00] arc as it’s called they’re the floating diamond shaped planet that appears to be otherworldly outside of our reality. There’s the father, which represents ballots of the force. He’s an ancient dying entity trying to maintain

equilibrium between light and dark. Uhhuh, the daughter who embodies a light side. Selfless, harmonious life-giving. Okay. And body. It’s a dark side. Selfish, destructive, empowered.

Simone Collins: It’s, it’s the Star Wars Trinity. That’s, this seems like an unhinged arc. Who wrote this?

Malcolm Collins: I think it George Lucas did based on drug trips is from what I heard.

Simone Collins: Okay. Well, I

Malcolm Collins: mean that

Simone Collins: makes sense.

Malcolm Collins: Now the thing I note about this is you could say, well, okay, even if this is the true nature of the force, which isn’t the MIT chloron, as the MIT would claim, the the, the MIT Chloron have chosen. The the good side, the quote unquote good side, right? And it’s like, well actually think about it from the perspective of the MIT chloron.

So suppose you’re the MIT Chloron high [00:40:00] spine, okay? And you understand the true nature of the force, okay? Right? You need people to be obedient to you, and you are going to tell people that your will is the force as well. Now, we do know the forces. Actual will. The force is actual will is to maintain balance.

But that doesn’t seem to be what the Jedi want and that doesn’t seem to be what the MIT chloron want. The mittal chloron want only the light side to win. Right. They, they, the Jedi, who are following them repeatedly attempt to wipe out the dark side. And yet we know from the mortis arc that the reason why the mortis arc is done is they’re basically testing Anakin as the person to bring balance.

Mm-hmm. So they’re testing. Him as a person to bring dark side back to the universe, right? Like that was the test. We wanna make sure you’re good. The true gods wanted to bring back the dark side against this light side that had taken most of the control. It’s infected faction. Now you’ve got this light side infection, so why?

Did the [00:41:00] infection choose the light side to attempt to help its spread and safety within the universe? Why? Well, because if you are a cloud-based infection, right? That’s simply the easier side to use to control people. The dark side, because it’s so competitive. Because it, it is. You know, so power hungry is not going to listen to you as effectively.

How do you argue to them? Well, listen to the voice in your head when they’re like, but the whole point of the dark side is not to listen to the voice in my head. So of course you’re going to co-opt the life side, but then use it sort of quote unquote selflessness, quote unquote, like helping nature to maintain the bureaucracy of an autocratic state.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Functionally end up doing.

Simone Collins: Wow. Okay. So they’re just compliant. They’re, they’re, they’re so, they’re so, willing to be overtaken by the whims of this hive mind that they will just go for it.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So, so the mega [00:42:00] corporations with seats in the federation are so seats in the. Council are the trade federation, the banking clan, and the techno union.

So they have seats in the Senate. Each of these organizations does these, these aren’t like planets. They are corporate organizations that have enormous power in the Senate. We, we see them speak up and people take them very seriously in the Senate. And we also know that the Senate was very corrupt.

Now let’s talk about the empire. ‘cause the empire was presumably so evil, right? What made the Empire evil? Well, the empire operated on a human first strategy, which I don’t see as necessarily evil, like I’m a human, right? Like they’re trying to brainwash us into liking the other, when in truth, many alien species had treated humans.

Systemically. Unfairly.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Well, I mean, e even like, I, I feel like the clone, or sorry, the, the prequel series is really well watched. Anakin is enslaved to he by, by an alien species. It’s not

Malcolm Collins: great. Well, but [00:43:00] it’s not just that. You have other species, like in the federation that we know, practice demonstrably unfair practices, given speech seal advantages.

So the mu. Who operate the banking clan are a good example of this. Mm-hmm. In the early days, the banking clan was mostly a human led organization. And then I guess you could argue that he was making an argument against Indians or something.

They, he hired, they hired one to some high level positions, one basically only hire other man.

And so they begin to slowly replace the top board of the banking clans, the, the highest wealth thing in the entire Star Wars universe that controls pretty much all wealth. In the universe, wars, everything like that, with only this one species, the man. Mm-hmm. A but the point being is, the other species had systematically disadvantaged humans using their genetic differences. Right. Like. Why shouldn’t humans fight back if they have the power to? For real wait. We should just wait till we’re [00:44:00] eradicated.

Simone Collins: Just

Malcolm Collins: roll

Simone Collins: over and take it, huh?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Roll over and take it. No. And I will point out that the Empire did not just dispose of. All non-human species many non-human species serve some of the most senior roles in the empire.

Simone Collins: Well, that’s true,

Malcolm Collins: The, the great one here would be Grand Admiral Thra probably outside of Darth Vader and Palpatine the number one figure in the empire. And he was definitely not a human. So the empire would elevate you if you had competence and you weren’t a human and you didn’t show yourself.

It’s actively hostile to humans. Okay. The empire also had much less corruption than the Senate. We see several figures talk about this, even figures who do not like the empire. Oh, wow. The empire also subjugated part of hut space. Bringing human safety to those regions that were previously huts.

Slave [00:45:00] territory. Yikes. The empire was fundamentally and strictly a better place to live if you were a human being than the corrupt and alien dominated and slanted world of the the the, the Senate. And you were brainwashed into hating them. You were brainwashed. And, and what I find so interesting about the Star Wars universe is it is the in-state, if you watch our video these parasites are brainwashing women into being horny.

We now have enormous evidence that there are a number of parasites with the one that we have the most clear evidence on. A, a new strain of toxoplasmosis. Which no longer is using cats as an intermediary step and makes both sexes more attracted to same sex individuals and more open to sexual encounters, which is how it transmits itself.

But it also reduces other things that make it more cohesive to like an urban monocultural symbiosis, [00:46:00] like threat detection, IE form. Bringing over a bunch of foreigners who wanna kill me. There’s aliens who are systemically you know, treating people like me unfairly. And

Simone Collins: I am no, this, this didn’t come to light when all these storylines are being written for, to be clear.

But it is. It is just.

Malcolm Collins: No, the

Simone Collins: point

Malcolm Collins: I’m

making

Simone Collins: is analogously telling and, and striking

Malcolm Collins: they want to society. I mean, that’s the way that it appears. Part of what’s motivating the trans phenomenon might be working is it’s just like a literal parasitic infection combined with other that that could explain why we don’t see it anywhere else in human history as well.

If it’s a real phenomenon and it’s not just. You know, a social contagion. As I’ve pointed out, we see no other point in human history in which individuals and no other culture, in human history in which individuals not touched by Western culture had a desire to unlive themselves if they couldn’t change their gender.

We’ve seen varying forms of gender expression throughout history, but this sort of singular obsession with your gender seems to be totally [00:47:00] unique. Now, if that doesn’t make it a social phenomenon or a social contagion, like the belief in. Penis dealing witches in Africa or something like that or anorexia in the United States.

You can see our video where we talk about the similarities there. Well, what does that make it? That means it could be a legitimate parasite that has created,

Simone Collins: okay, so to sum this up, then. The force is, is evil. It’s an evil parasite. Well,

Malcolm Collins: it uses

Simone Collins: Jedi. Our, our, our actual scum and toxoplasmosis is the force and it’s all real.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. It’s, it’s, well, doesn’t give you special abilities other than being hornier and. Wanting to have same sex attraction. What’s

Simone Collins: the difference?

Malcolm Collins: But the mind

Simone Collins: control through mainstream media.

Malcolm Collins: Mind control. No, but it’s, it’s interesting that like the Jedi, they reproduce in the same way. They can’t have kids themselves, so they have to conversion.

Yeah. Convert other their people’s children. Taking on

Simone Collins: your children while they’re young. I mean,

Malcolm Collins: yeah. By getting to them young, and this is done through the school system, right? You know, [00:48:00] in many ways our world might be more dystopian because we send all children into the brainwashing factory. You know, regardless of what parents religion is, and I’ll note here in the Star Wars universe, it is completely implausible that the child giving up is completely voluntary because we know of a diverse array of religions throughout the Star War universe, and there are very few religions.

It would, would be okay with giving a 3-year-old to be raised in a completely other religion.

Simone Collins: Yeah. It just, well, I mean, it’s, it’s evolutionarily, I don’t care what species you are, alien human, whatever, humanoid you, it will not be your instinct unless you have a very, very unique way of raising your young.

To just have another species take your children. You know, unless you, and, and, and if you are using another species to raise your children, like you’re laying eggs in the body cavity of some other species. It’s, it’s not like this, you know, it, it’s, it’s in some other form. So anyway, I got with the kids.

I love you very [00:49:00] much. Making you,

Malcolm Collins: I want, I want your thoughts on this. So do you think that this was at all intentional? No.

Simone Collins: Do you

Malcolm Collins: think that?

Simone Collins: No, I think it was completely unintentional. I think this is just kind of, the way that people through one side of their mouth. Condemn, you know, pregnant women and children being used as terrorists, but then realize how convenient, like when writing out a plot in a completely separated, disjointed world, how useful it is to have child soldiers, right?

Like there’s a reason why these things happen, and that’s because they are logistically convenient. And when you’re writing a fantasy story and not thinking about things in the same way, you just spontaneously invent child soldiers. Child soldiers exist for a reason. People take and, and educate young children for a reason.

But again, speaking of children, I have to have to get,

Malcolm Collins: okay.

Simone Collins: Okay. You can wrap this up though without me if you want to.

Malcolm Collins: You’ve anchored the

Simone Collins: space

Malcolm Collins: Alien.

Simone Collins: He is. I’ve, I’ve, I’ve disguised [00:50:00] him.

Malcolm Collins: I, but I can’t believe how evil it really is. If you think about it, I think that Star Wars was intentionally written evil in a way they, they just don’t realize how evil their beliefs are when taken to their own conclusion. I think Star Wars was accidentally written evil.

Simone Collins: Yeah. It was accidentally evil. Bye.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, I had an idea. This would be such a good RFA scenario.

Simone Collins: Okay, I’ll let you

Malcolm Collins: finish

Simone Collins: this.

Malcolm Collins: And I’ll, I’ll, I’ll do a place through one of these to create another one of my Malcolm stories. Okay? I haven’t done one of those in a while. But you start as a cis or a force sensitive that, that, that realizes the true nature of the Jedi.

And you’ve gotta navigate what to do next. You don’t wanna out yourself to the, the secret police that control everything, right? Or they’ll just execute you like they tried to do with one of the most powerful men in the entire empire.

Speaker 5: In a galaxy far away where the stars seal the line,

the[00:51:00]

this inside infects their blood.

Under a

sterilizing, the Celebrate devotion in.

The outsiders win. They snatch

at ages three five, brainwash them to [00:52:00] the swamp. The infection.

No breeding for the chosen ones.

There are soldiers marching all.

Speaker 6: Celebrate

Speaker 5: humanity replacing us. Jet coming for takeover, letting the outsiders win.[00:53:00]

The Republics a facade of rock. With monarchs born to rule, corporations pull the strengths, treating humans like a fool. Aliens said. Just out with schemes from banks to slave and chains, the hive. Mondays rise while humanity bears the pains. Mind parasite ruling, sterilizing the hosted claims for and celebrate devotion in twisted Holy Games.

Subjugating or humanity replacing us with daily and king Jetta coming. Foster takeover. Letting the outsiders win can storm the temples like SA in his. The young Ling’s pods of the infection on a doomed [00:54:00] infested trip killing them was mercies blade to halt the cycle spread. Brainwash tools of the hive mind better purge than left unde.

Palpatine unveiled the truth, struck down. The infected th throne empire rose to claim our place where humans could belong. No more bow until the swarm that lies about the forces might humanity fights Back at last in the endless cosmic night.

Parasite sterilizing the hosted claims, celibate devotion in it, twisted holy sub, all humanity replacing us with Elliot coming for us to take over, letting the outsiders win. Win, win, win, win. Win.

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