Let's check in with Carl in California as Opie, Vic Henley and Sherrod Small order another round at Gebhards. We will continue from Gebhards on the next episode.

In this hop-fueled episode of the Opie & Carl podcast, Carl takes his IPA prejudice to the West Coast, facing off with Lagunitas beer expert Ben Perry in a virtual taste test. From the history of IPAs as a "transit beer" to uncovering surprising tobacco notes in a bold double IPA, Carl’s palate gets a workout. Will Ben convince this IPA skeptic to embrace the bitter side? Grab a cold one and join the debate as Carl’s opinions get poured out, shaken up, and maybe even changed. Cheers to beer nerds and bold flavors!

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