Mark talks to Chef Carla Hall about how she found her way back to her roots, the difference between soul food and Southern food, and why dairy does not belong in shrimp and grits. Mark shares Carla's recipes for smashed carrots with curry oil, pickled cucumber calad, watermellon with mint and lime, and Team Bittman answers listener questions.

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