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Find the guest for this episode, Carmen Leilani DeJesus at museyouneedmost.me and on Instagram @consentisapractice.   

You can find our host for this episode, Karryn Olson, at Regenepreneurs.com and additional resources from her session with Carmen at Regenepreneurs.com/dejesus.  

I'm collaborating with Karryn to share more conversations from this series with you in the future on The Permaculture Podcast. If you’d like to see what’s coming up from Karryn and her guests, including joining in on an upcoming live session via this link:   

Cultivating Livelihoods In Service to Life: A Conversation Series

Karryn's next session is on Wednesday, October 6th, at 8 pm Eastern with the folks from the Meaningful Work Project.  

In hearing what Karryn was working on, I wanted to share these conversations with you on The Permaculture Podcast, because the specific interviews and themes of the overall series speak to the growing dissonance I’ve experienced myself and heard from listeners between trying to make our way through the world while staying true to your values and the ethics of permaculture, while trading one’s work energy for dollars that are earned through practices that seem extractive, meaningless, or, in the words and title of the book by the late David Graber, like a bullshit job. And as if that weren’t enough, we’re navigating all this while feeling, in our bones and in our souls, the impacts of growing climate disruption, increasing wealth inequality, continual social injustice, ongoing pandemic chaos, and the myriad of other social and environmental ills all around us.   

To help us with this, Karryn is speaking with numerous guests across a variety of disciplines to explore topics that move our individual mindset and shift our cultural paradigms.  

Some of those include:  

Right livelihoods.

Collective liberation.

Regenerative entrepreneurship.

Social innovation.

Decolonizing our concepts of "work.”

And the importance of embracing pleasure and grief.  

Listened to individually or taken together, it is Karryn and I’s desire to revitalize you and your work as we, all of us, stand together and cross the thresholds of our time.   

Until we meet again, spend your days ranting about your needs and wants, meditating on whether you are saying yes willingly or out of a sense of obligation, and considering what work feels like in your body, while taking care of Earth, your self, and each other.