Tensions between China and the US are at a level not seen in decades. But as Chas Freeman, former Assistant US Secretary of Defense and Watson Senior Fellow believes, the tension between these countries is larger than a tit-for-tat trade dispute. Everything about this relationship is being called to question, and it has implications around the world. On this episode Edward Steinfeld, Director of the Watson Institute and Director of Watson’s China Initiative, sits down with Chas to discuss what may be the biggest story of decades to come: the fast-changing relationship between the US and China.

You can read Chas’s paper ‘A World Dividing: The International Implications of the Sino-American Rift’ here.

You can learn more about Watson’s China Initiative here.

You can learn more about Watson’s other podcasts here.