Dennis Tubbergen and Kerry Lutz discussed the current economic landscape, expressing concerns about the artificial nature of GDP growth and the sustainability of the model. They drew parallels between the situation and a Ponzi scheme, highlighting the potential for hyperinflation and economic collapse. The conversation also touched on the impact on Social Security and the role of the Federal Reserve in addressing the challenges. The speakers explored the need for a forced debt jubilee and investment opportunities in precious metals and agricultural real estate. Tubbergen shared information about his book and podcast, while Lutz drew attention to various indicators such as the surge in gold and Bitcoin prices, insider selling in the stock market, and distress in commercial real estate. Find Dennis here: Dennis Tubbergen Get his book here: Revenue Sourcing Find Kerry here: FSN