Inside The Vatican

Clarity, Confusion, Unity: Unpacking the conclave’s code words


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Welcome to America magazine’s Conclave Podcast. Our editors are on the ground in Rome covering the conclave to elect the next pope. 

In today’s episode, the team discusses:

- The controversial presence at the pre-conclave meetings of Cardinal Becciu, convicted of embezzlement, and Cardinal Cipriani, who was sanctioned by the Vatican for alleged sexual abuse

- The topics emerging in the cardinals’ secret meetings

- How “unity” and “clarity” are becoming buzzwords for reversing Francis’ style of governance

This episode features:

- Sebastian Gomes, America’s executive editor of audio and video

- Colleen Dulle, co-host of America’s “Inside the Vatican” podcast

- Gerard O’Connell, Vatican correspondent and co-host of America’s “Inside the Vatican” podcast

- Ashley McKinless, executive editor and co-host of America’s “Jesuitical” podcast

- Zac Davis, director of digital strategy and co-host of America’s “Jesuitical” podcast

- Sam Sawyer, S.J., America’s editor in chief 


Sign up for America’s subscriber-exclusive “Conclave Diary” daily newsletter and get all of our extensive coverage at: AmericaMagazine.org/Subscribe


Links from the show: 

- ⁠What Pope Francis taught us: Church teaching finds clarity and power in acts of mercy⁠

- ⁠Cardinal Becciu will not participate in conclave following dispute over right to vote⁠

- ⁠As Cardinals Prepare to Elect a Pope, One Motto Is ‘Unity.’ That’s Divisive.⁠

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