Cally gets under the skin of sex workers and talks with Desiree about everything from ancestry, to love, to lockdown dating, to meditation, to body image, to paying her way through Yale working as a pro dominatrix.

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⁠Welcome to

National Ugly Mugs

⁠(NUM)⁠

Ending Violence Against Sex Workers

Waking Up with

⁠Sam Harris

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Produced by Mike Hanson for Pod People Productions

Music by Jake Yapp

Cover design by Jaijo

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