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In August 1960, a Soviet colonel called Oleg Penkovsky contacted the West to offer to work as a 'soldier warrior for the free world. MI6 and the CIA ran Penkovsky jointly, in an operation that ran through the showdown over Berlin and the Cuban Missile Crisis.
He provided crucial intelligence, including photographs of rocket manuals that helped Kennedy end the Cuba crisis and avert a war. Codenamed HERO, Penkovsky is widely seen as the most important spy of the Cold War, and the CIA-MI6 operation, run as the world stood on the brink of nuclear destruction.
We speak with Jeremy Duns, the author of Dead Drop also called Codename Hero in the US which investigates exactly how did the Russians detect Penkovsky, and why did they let him continue his contact with his handlers for months afterwards? Described as thrilling, evocative and hugely controversial, the book blows apart the myths surrounding one of the Cold War's greatest spy operations.
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0:00 Introduction and guest - Jeremy Duns
2:33 The story of Soviet Colonel Oleg Penkovsky and his disillusionment with the Soviet Union
10:17 The intelligence Penkovsky provided to MI6 and CIA and its impact
23:30 The lack of satellite cover over the Soviet Union and Penkovsky's methods of passing information
30:06 The complications and aftermath of Penkovsky's discovery and his influence on the Cuban Missile Crisis
36:00 Arrests of Penkovsky and Greville Wynn, Wynn's trial and sentence
42:31 The fate of Oleg Penkovsky and how he was betrayed
45:32 DCode Name Hero: books on Oleg Pankovsky
46:07 Sponsor: Acknowledging patron support
46:58 End of episode and thanks to listeners
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70 years ago today would have been the middle of a desperate battle by outnumbered British forces at the battle of the Imjin River in Korea. The Korean War was among the most destructive conflicts of the modern era, and one of the few times when the Cold War turned hot. There were approximately 3 million war fatalities and a larger proportional civilian death toll than World War II or the Vietnam War.
Tommy Clough is one of the last survivors of the battle of the Imjin River and was just 19 when the Gloucestershire Regiment were cut off from their brigade by more than 10,000 Chinese troops in 1951. Outnumbered and surrounded, they dug in on a hilltop for three days, repelling attack after attack until their ammunition ran out. The battle of the Imjin River was one of the most famous of the Korean War.
We hear in detail Tommy’s experiences in the days up to the battle, as well as the desperate fighting to hold off the Chinese army as food, water and ammunition ran out.
Inevitably the Gloucestershire Regiment was forced to surrender and Tommy's story continues, with the hardship and privation of the 500 miles march to their prisoner of war camp. Following an escape attempt, Tommy is held and handcuffed for 6 weeks in solitary confinement including a lengthy period held in a small cage.
It’s an incredible story of fortitude and resilience under the most extreme circumstances and I am so humbled and honoured to be able to share this story with you. I’d like to thank The History of War magazine for putting me in contact with the Soldiers of Gloucestershire Museum and subsequently Tommy.
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0:00 Introduction and Tommy Clough's first encounter with the enemy
2:39 Sponsor: History of War Magazine and request for financial support
2:49 Tommy Clough's enlistment and journey to Korea
13:45 Encounters and incidents during the advance towards the Yellow River
22:30 Observations at the Imjin River and the ensuing Chinese attack
30:18 The desperate measures and the moment of capture
47:41 Arrival at the POW camp and survival strategies
57:12 Escape attempts, interrogation, and hard labor sentence
1:05:38 The end of the war and Tommy's journey back home
1:11:07 Transition to civilian life and post-war experiences
1:18:50 Tommy's silence about the war and eventual return to Korea
1:20:25 Closing remarks and invitation to join the Facebook discussion
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John Matisonn is a South African journalist who grew up in the suburbs in Johannesburg. In 1979 he was sentenced to jail for refusing to reveal his news sources.
Matisonn describes life as a journalist in apartheid South Africa as well as his meetings with some of the key South African personalities of that period. He met with several South African Prime leaders including John Vorster, PW Botha and FW de Klerk who eventually oversaw the end of white majority rule. Also included are details of several meetings Matisonn had with Nelson Mandela the first black President of South Africa.
We also hear about Soviet training for African National Congress leaders and the South African nuclear weapons programme.
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Peter Ryan is our interviewer today and I am delighted to welcome John Matisonn to our Cold War conversation…
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Thank you very much for listening. It is really appreciated – goodbye.
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0:00 Introduction of guest John Matisonn
2:02 Sponsor: Request for listener support and acknowledgments
2:34 Matisonn's experience as a journalist in Apartheid South Africa
7:00 Interplay of Cold War dynamics in South Africa
10:03 Nelson Mandela's relationship with Communism and the Soviet Union
14:27 ANC leaders' training in Soviet Union and GDR
21:02 South African collaboration with Western intelligence services
26:26 The concept of "linkage" in the Cold War and Cuba's involvement
29:38 South Africa's nuclear program
35:27 Reagan administration's approach towards South Africa
42:48 Matisonn's personal interactions with Apartheid era leaders
46:06 Introduction to John Matisonn's book "God, Spies and Lies"
48:25 Sponsor: Acknowledging Patrons and Sponsors
49:11 Invitation to Join Facebook Discussion Group
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9.07 a.m., April 12, 1961. A top-secret rocket site in the USSR. A young Russian sits inside a tiny capsule on top of the Soviet Union’s most powerful intercontinental ballistic missile and blasts into the skies. His name is Yuri Gagarin. And he is about to make history.
We speak with Stephen Walker author of “Beyond” a new book that tells the thrilling story behind that epic flight on its sixtieth anniversary.
Drawing on extensive original research and the vivid testimonies of eyewitnesses, many of whom have never spoken before, Stephen unpacks secrets that were hidden for decades and takes you into the drama of one of humanity's greatest adventures. Now I thought I knew Gagarins’s story, but discovered so much more after reading this book. The episode just scratches the surface and there is so much more in the book itself, Stephen and I could have talked for hours.
This podcast wouldn’t exist without the generous support of our Patreons If you are enjoying the podcast, and want to continue to hear it please support me via a small (or large) monthly donation. Plus, you will get the sought after CWC coaster as a thank you and bask in the warm glow of knowing you are helping to preserve Cold War history.
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I am delighted to welcome Stephen Walker to our Cold War conversation…
There are a book giveaway and further information on this episode in our episode notes here. https://coldwarconversations.com/episode172/
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0:00 Introduction
4:19 The significance of the first man in space and misconceptions
10:14 The Soviet Union’s involvement in the space race
18:37 The KGB's insistence on having a bomb onboard the spacecraft
27:58 The secrecy of the Soviet space program
33:44 The Myth of the Lost cosmonauts
38:22 Gagarin's landing and the unravelling of decades-long lies
52:20 Gagarin's demeanour during the launch and the aftermath of the landing
1:02:01 The decision to leapfrog the Soviets in the space race and Gagarin's life post-space mission
1:10:21 Closing and acknowledgements of patrons
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In April 1966, a state-of-the-art Soviet aircraft, the Yak-28P crashed into the British Sector of West Berlin. This intelligence gift to the Allied forces resulted in a tense confrontation with the Soviet forces
We speak with historian Bernd von Kostka of the Allied Museum in Berlin-Dahlem who has researched this story for his upcoming book Capital of Spies: Intelligence agencies in Berlin during the Cold War which he co-authors with Sven Felix Kellerhoff.
The book will be published in October in the US and in December 2021 in GB.
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I am delighted to welcome Bernd to our Cold War conversation…
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0:00 Introduction and crash of Soviet interceptor in British sector of Berlin
0:49 Interview with historian Bernd von Kostka and discussion on his upcoming book
2:34 Overview of Cold War Berlin in 1966 and frequent overflights by Soviet aircraft
7:06 Examination of the Yak 28p crash site and its significance
14:44 Analysis of the Soviet Union's limited control in West Berlin and the tense standoff at the crash site
18:06 Debunking of common rumors surrounding the crash and discussion on the aftermath
20:23 British attempts to extract secrets from the crashed aircraft and discovery of the radar equipment
23:22 Negotiations and handover of the wreckage to the Soviets
30:19 Exploring the impact and memory of the incident in Germany and the Soviet Union
37:20 Posthumous honors for the pilots and introduction to the book "Capital of Spies"
41:06 Acknowledgement of the patrons and invitation to join the Facebook discussion group
41:50 Closing remarks
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We speak with Chris Summers who as a 22 year old was sent by his employers to East Germany in a Ford Escort to install British factory machinery. He provides us with interesting insights into life in the provinces of the GDR.
Long term listeners of the podcast will recognise one of Chris’s colleagues was Tim, husband of Antje who was our guest in episode 82 “A Cold War Romance” available here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode82/
Chris was also sent to Poland, the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia where he tells what he saw and experienced in the latter half of the 1980s.
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I am delighted to welcome Chris Summers to our Cold War conversation…
There’s further information on this episode in our show notes, which can also be found as a link in your podcast app here. https://coldwarconversations.com/episode170/
If you can’t wait for next week’s episode do visit our Facebook discussion group where guests and listeners continue the Cold War Conversation. Just search Cold War Conversations in Facebook.
Thank you very much for listening. It is really appreciated
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If you are interested in East Germany we can highly recommend our friends over at Radio GDR.
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0:00 Introduction and toast anecdote
0:50 Interview with Chris Summers about his work with Detexamat in East Germany
15:39 Experiencing nightlife in East Germany
20:26 Independent tourism during the Cold War
26:31 Installing equipment and training locals in East Germany
38:59 Chris Summers' work experiences in Poland and Russia
45:57 Experiences in Soviet factories and Georgian culture
49:09 Unique experiences and restrictions in the Soviet Union
54:45 Chris Summers' work in Czechoslovakia
56:33 Tim's wedding and Ancher's arrival in the UK
59:36 Wrap up and donation information
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Soviet Tours is a Berlin-based tour operator focussed on off-the-beaten-path destinations across the globe.
Their core area, as the name suggests, lies mainly in and around the former USSR. From the mystic forests of Central Siberia to the austere peaks of the High Caucasus, from the scorching deserts of the Soviet Stans to the windswept steppes of Southern Russia.
We talk with the founder of Soviet Tours Gianluca Pardelli. He is a Berlin-based photojournalist, adventurer and travel author who is fascinated by that enigmatic country that was once known as the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
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0:00 Introduction and background of Gianluca Pardelli
4:07 The birth of Gianluca's interest in the Soviet Union
8:01 Unique itineraries offered by Soviet Tours
13:41 Ethics of photographing locals during tours
18:45 The remote autonomous republics in the former Soviet Union
24:03 Soviet Tours' expansion into Africa
27:12 Short tours and volunteer programs
33:56 Favorite region of the former Soviet Union
35:46 Contact information for Gianluca Pardelli and Soviet Tours
36:14 Acknowledging patrons and sponsors
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Our conversation with Rob Forsyth continues when he became Executive Officer - and in command on occasions - of HMS Repulse, a Polaris nuclear missile submarine.
We hear in detail the challenges of command on these boats, their launch procedures and the conversations Rob had with his captain about the circumstances when they might refuse to launch the missiles.
Rob tells of many fascinating incidents including a very close encounter with the Malin Head AGI, a notorious Soviet Spy trawler.
We also hear about his promotion to “Teacher” or instructor for the Submarine Commanding Officers’ Qualifying Course aka “The Perisher” and his command of HMS Sceptre, a nuclear powered "hunter-killer" submarine.
In the last section of our conversations, Rob tells us why his views on the British nuclear deterrent have changed. You can read more here http://www.whytrident.uk/
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I am delighted to welcome Rob Forsyth to our Cold War conversation…
There’s further information on this episode in our show notes which can also be found as a link in your podcast app here. https://coldwarconversations.com/episode168/
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0:00 Introduction and overview of the episode
0:59 Rob Forsyth's experiences on HMS Repulse, a Polaris nuclear missile submarine
5:43 Missile tests and weapons system readiness routine
11:19 Life on a submarine: staying active, alert, and coping with challenges
17:06 The psychological aftermath of patrols: crew members' struggles
23:47 Post-launch plans and moral implications of a nuclear attack
31:55 Anecdotes and stories from Rob's time with HMS Repulse
36:04 Rob's transition to a Perisher teacher and his experiences
49:42 Rob's command of HMS Sector and encounters with Soviet submarines
1:00:15 The financial and operational cost of Trident, and the UK's nuclear policy
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Commander Rob Forsyth joined submarines in1961. By March 1962 as a young officer, he joined HMS Auriga a 1945 vintage diesel submarine. Within 7 months the 22-year-old was loading live torpedoes and preparing for a war mission during the tense days of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Robs tell of many fascinating incidents in his career including under-ice operations and an incident where Rob's captain made an error that almost resulted in the total loss of submarine and crew.
He also details what it was like to take the Submarine Commanding Officers’ Qualifying Course aka “The Perisher”. This six-month course is a prerequisite for the command of a submarine. Failure means your submarine career “perishes”.
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I am delighted to welcome Rob Forsyth to our Cold War conversation…
There’s further information on this episode in our show notes which can also be found as a link in your podcast app here. https://coldwarconversations.com/episode167/
If you can’t wait for next week’s episode do visit our Facebook discussion group where guests and listeners continue the Cold War Conversation. Just search Cold War Conversations in Facebook.
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0:00 Introduction
1:15 Guest Introduction: Rob Forsyth, Royal Navy Veteran
7:15 Submarine Training and the Cuban Missile Crisis Experience
16:04 Recollection of Near-Miss Submarine Incidents
18:10 Deployment to Canada and Leisure Time in Bermuda
22:17 Lessons from Under Ice Operations and Handling Submarine in Icy Conditions
28:47 Work on Sound Propagation in Water and Anti-Submarine Training
33:47 Trimmed Down Submarine and Operation Differences in War and Peace Mode
37:33 Life in the Far East Fleet and Goodwill Visits
46:23 Experience of Perisher and the Realities of Submarine Command
1:00:41 Maintaining Morale and Teamwork During Crisis
1:05:00 Acknowledgment of the Patrons and Episode Conclusion
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Greenham Common Women's Peace Camp was a protest camp established in 1981 to protest against the deployment of USAF controlled Ground Launched nuclear armed Cruise Missiles at RAF Greenham Common in Berkshire, England.
On the eve of International Women’s’ Day 2021 I talk with Jan Castro-Fraser who chose to challenge the existence of nuclear weapons during the Cold War.
We talk about her experiences at Greenham Common Peace Camp and other demonstrations in the 1980s as well as how her experiences in the peace movement changed her, empowered her and made her who she is today.
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I am delighted to welcome Jan to our Cold War conversation…
There’s further information on this episode in our show notes which can also be found as a link here. https://coldwarconversations.com/episode166/
If you can’t wait for next week’s episode do visit our Facebook discussion group where guests and listeners continue the Cold War Conversation. Just search Cold War Conversations in Facebook.
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0:00 Introduction and guest Jan Castro Fraser's experiences at Greenham Common Peace Camp
1:36 Appeal for financial support
6:19 Living conditions and political discussions at the peace camp
10:54 Activities, protests, and interactions with soldiers and police at the camp
15:50 Participation in the 14-mile human chain demonstration and the role of singing in protests
19:14 Reaction of locals, experiences with arrests, and court experiences
24:16 Reflections on the achievements of the Peace Movement and its lasting impact
28:56 Awareness and action on environmental issues and sharing history with younger generations
32:42 Memorable moments from Greenham and current stance on nuclear weapons
34:17 Acknowledgement of patrons and supporters
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