One could argue that we had too many podcasters for zoom to handle, but we carried on as true professionals and had a great conversation with our pals Cole Friedman, and Cam Werner. Both of these guys are incredible freelance designers, and co-hosts of their design podcast 'Pentool Pals'. We tackled all of the questions from printer to designer, and designer to printer, as well as a little podcaster commiseration. Topics of conversation include: Nightmare clients, pricing, lawsuits, easy jobs vs exciting jobs, freelance life, retainer work, the value of experience, work life imbalance, art hacks, and boiled chicken.