On the Gist, Pete Buttigieg named Biden's secretary of transport. And, today in Remembrances of Things Trump: Ryan Zinke, Trump's first secretary of the interior.

In the interview, it's the final half of Mike's discussion with writer Matthew Yglesias. After touching on Yglesias' argument from his Vox piece, "Trump's Gains With Hispanic Voters Should Prompt Some Progressive Rethinking," he and Mike go deeper on the divide between white Democrats and Democrats of color, and why some social issues in the progressive mainstream don't necessarily work for the larger Democratic base. Yglesias' Substack newsletter is Slow Boring.

In the spiel, Biden-esque buddyism.

And, a short tribute to the late Catie Lazarus, comedy writer, and former host of the Slate talk show Employee of the Month.

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