Josh managed to get an hour with recording artists Josh Garrels and John Mark McMillan in the afternoon before they performed a concert at Hope College. They discuss the charismatic, Evangelical, and Catholic church; aesthetic care of worship and worship spaces; reading the Bible for what it actually says; family disciplines and Sabbath keeping, creating more space for God with exercise, when to set aside our screens and be closer to each other. Of course there is discussion about their creative process in writing music and who they are reading: Dylan Thomas, Wendell Berry, AW Tozer, Eugene Peterson, Richard Rohr, Richard Foster, and Dallas Willard.

Closing song, "Ps 23" by Zach Winters used by permission. Visit www.zachwintersmusic.com and support his kickstarter campaign!