This is the kickoff to the second season of Change Starts Here. In order to look forward, we’re going to take a look backward by talking to a guest that Host Dustin Odham has had at the top of his list since the podcast’s inception. Dan Pink is the author of several books about creativity, business, behavior, and work, such as When: The Scientific Secrets to Perfect Timing. Odham and Pink talk about his upcoming book, The Power of Regret: How Looking Backward Moves Us Forward, and how the power of regret can be used to make bold choices moving forward instead of remaining in our own prisons.

For Dan Pink, life is about multitudes. Most people, including Pink, are multiple things, and Dan is a husband, father, citizen, and writer. What he loves about writing is that he gets a lot of pleasure from figuring stuff out, such as “taking a tangle of material and trying to make sense of it, and bringing some clarity to it,” Pink said, “even though the process of doing that is often painful. There are moments of transcendence in the process that keep me going.”

This passion might have always been there, but Pink said he had to discover it. It wasn’t apparent from the get-go. He pursued a law degree and had an interest in politics, but he found that while working in the “belly of the beast,” that wasn’t what he wanted to do, in part, because that wasn’t who he was or aspiring to be.

“I became a writer relatively late in the sense I didn’t start writing for myself full time as my job until I was in my mid-30s,” Pink said.

Listen to hear more about how taking risks in his career led Pink to the path of becoming an author.