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In today’s interview, Dan Palmer of Making Permaculture Stronger, and David Holmgren continue their conversation about David’s design journey. In this episode they discuss founding Holmgren Design in the 1980s, David’s work as a professional designer and how that influenced his thoughts on permaculture over time, and the ideas that lead to his authoring Permaculture Principles and Pathways Beyond Sustainability and RetroSuburbia. Throughout, they share more about how David’s knowledge and understanding of reading the landscape developed.