Pain has always been an issue to humans. We have consistently worked to relieve it-originally with natural methods (herbs, oils, massage). Over time, many more intricate, imaginative, & scientific have arrived (acupuncture, medicines from herb compounds, & homeopathic methods). In the past 150 years, some have leaned heavily toward surgery & drugs. Money/greed have factored into our current situation with a crisis of people addicted to Opioids and other substances—originally to deal with pain & now to deal with addiction. My guests are two people who go beyond practitioners to a level of healers, using modalities they have learned for years, then practiced intently, now adding their own unique intuitions to make them work for each individual client. Full disclosure: both of these people have helped me as a client: Michael Wangsness, PT with HealthEast Optimum Rehab in St. Paul & Briah Anson, Rolfer, and most recently, Homeopathic medicine, with a private practice in St. Paul.