With the upheaval taking place in the cryptocurrency markets, there’s a lot of confusion about the realities of DeFi. Charles Jansen, head of DeFi transformation for S&P Global Ratings, joins host Eric Hanselman to focus on the distance between the two and look at innovations aiming to manage risk as the industry matures. DeFi capabilities can speed transactions while reducing cost and are already finding their way into payments channels. Useful abstractions are powering innovation.