Ian Irving hosts The Athletic's twice-weekly podcast dedicated to Manchester United, with regular guests Laurie Whitwell and Andy Mitten, as well as Michael Cox, the author of Zonal Marking.

On paper, defeat in the Manchester derby, by two goals, looks less bad than the five-nil drubbing from Liverpool. However, there was a feeling among some supporters that this performance was even worse.

Indications are still that manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer won't be dismissed but, as Michael explains, Manchester United are one of very few "elite" clubs who show such loyalty to managers. Should they be looking to upgrade whenever the opportunity arises?

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