Victor Cary has worked in education for over 40 years, starting as a high school teacher in Richmond, CA, and now serves as the Senior Director at the National Equity Project, where he leads development of the equity-centered coaching and leadership model. Susie Wise is a design leader with experience in the education, tech, and  social sectors. She coaches leaders in equity design and innovation practices and is an Adjunct Professor at the Stanford d.school. The two have worked together to develop and recommend different ways of thinking and acting when it comes to designing learning experiences. Highlights from the episode include: an update on Jal's "dilemma;" Rod's reflection on a new "Graduate Coaches" program in Prince George; what the pandemic has taught us about local systems' ability to change quickly; the importance of creating a sense of belonging in schools; the challenges of taking successful models and scaling them up, and why scaling "deep" may be a better alternative; the role context and environment play when trying to create adaptive and resilient models; and a brief lighting round to wrap things up. 

Check out Susie's book and additional design frameworks: Design for Belonging

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