What if the “dumb party metal” you grew up with turned out to be one of the sharpest mirrors of 1980s America? In this episode of Dig Me Out: 80s Metal, we sit down with author, professor, and 80s tribute-band guitarist Jesse Kavadlo to talk about his new book Rock of Pages: The Literary Tradition of 1980s Heavy Metal and why those songs about girls, demons, and good times were actually wrestling with nuclear fear, censorship, and what it meant to grow up under the Cold War.
Jesse walks us through how 80s metal lyrics connect to classic literature, from Def Leppard reimagining Genesis and Paradise Lost to Metallica and Ozzy Osbourne grappling with existential dread, addiction, and the possibility of global annihilation. We dig into the PMRC hearings and satanic panic, the way MTV videos turned escapism into literal chains and magic portals, and how Stranger Things surprisingly nails the mix of danger and freedom that metal kids actually felt in the 80s. Along the way, we talk subculture vs. streaming-era playlists, why Dio and Iron Maiden might be the true heirs of Romantic poetry, and how heavy metal may have nudged the Cold War toward its end at the Moscow Music Peace Festival.
If you care about 80s heavy metal, the MTV era, or just love thinking about how songs work under the hood, this episode is for you. Fans of Iron Maiden, Metallica, Ozzy Osbourne, Van Halen, Mötley Crüe, Poison, Bon Jovi, Dio, and even Steel Panther’s parody universe will hear this music in a new way. And if you’re into how culture and politics collide in sound—think the way punk, hip-hop, or grunge carried the anxieties of their eras—you’ll find a lot to chew on here too.
Episode Highlights
0:00 – Intro / Setting the stage
How Jesse went from Brooklyn club stages and opening for Danger Danger to a PhD in literature and an 80s tribute band in St. Louis, and why 80s metal still gets written off as “by and for dummies” while Dylan and Kendrick win major literary prizes.
5:12 – Are 80s metal lyrics actually literature?
Cassette liner notes, goofy rhymes, and serious themes: Jesse breaks down how synecdoche, personification, metaphor, and symbolism show up in songs by Def Leppard, Metallica, and Twisted Sister.
12:45 – PMRC, Tipper Gore, and the fight over teenage imagination
We revisit the 1985 PMRC hearings, Dee Snider’s testimony, and why “Under the Blade” and “Suicide Solution” say more about adult panic than teen corruption.
20:30 – Cold War metal: Bon Jovi to Nuclear Assault
How videos like Bon Jovi’s “Runaway” and songs by Metallica, Ozzy, Megadeth, and Nuclear Assault carried nuclear anxiety, class conflict, and apocalyptic dread beneath all the hairspray.
28:10 – Escapism, fantasy, and why Dio matters
From Dungeons & Dragons to Iron Maiden and Dio, we explore metal’s love of magic, fantasy, and portals as a deeply human response to a world that often felt unlivable.
36:40 – MTV, chains, and the magic door
We unpack the visual language of 80s metal videos: breaking out of asylums and prisons, falling through mirrors, and what it meant to “escape to the concert” once metal hit the mainstream.
45:05 – Outsiders selling millions of records
Why metal fans still felt like misfits even as the music dominated MTV, and how that outsider identity overlaps with the way readers and writers see themselves.
52:30 – Van Halen, class struggle, and 1984
From “Running with the Devil” and “Jump” to “Hot for Teacher,” we look at David Lee Roth’s working-class storytelling, school-as-prison imagery, and the eerie resonance of naming an album 1984 in the synth-drenched futureshock of the mid-80s.
1:01:10 – Cowboys, Road Warriors, and the end of the world
How metal videos borrowed from Escape from New York, The Road Warrior, and cowboy mythology to build a visual language of lawless survival and American ruggedness.
1:09:45 – W.A.S.P., Nine Inch Nails, and moving the line
What it means that W.A.S.P.’s “Animal (F*** Like a Beast)” got pulled from shelves while “Closer” became a critical darling, and how censorship lines shifted from the 80s to the 90s.
1:18:20 – White Lion, Living Colour, and the politics hiding in band names
We get into White Lion’s unexpected political conscience, the uncomfortable optics of Pride, and how Living Colour wore their politics more explicitly.
1:25:40 – How to listen differently after Rock of Pages
Jesse explains how he hopes readers (and listeners) revisit 80s metal: with streaming open, videos queued up, and an ear tuned to metaphor, context, and the way these songs helped kids survive their era.
1:33:50 – What’s next and where to find the book
Jesse hints at possible 90s projects and shares where to find Rock of Pages through Bloomsbury, indie bookstores, and the usual suspects.
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