Jodie Niznik

Julie Pierce

Identifying the best support for Christian leaders is crucial when we deal with personal issues or leadership problems. What kind of outside professional will provide the best kind of guidance and wisdom for whatever has us stuck? Will a spiritual director, coach, counselor or pastor best help us with our difficulties? What are the differences in the kind of counsel and wisdom we would receive from these various professionals?

Joining host Kay Daigle are Jodie Niznik and Julie Pierce who discuss the differences and provide guidance for those of us who need support of some kind. Identifying the best support for us as Christian leaders is the first step in moving forward.

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Resources

Three FAQs about Leadership Coaching by Julie Pierce

Website for ESDA, a network of Christ-centered spiritual director

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Connect on LinkedIn

Schedule a Free Discovery Call with Julie.

Our BOW resources to help You, As a Leader

Time Stamps

00:32 Introducing BOW's guests and the topic

05:27 Counselors' expertise

11:03 Coaches' expertise

18:40 How does a spiritual director help someone?

23:40 What should we expect from a pastor?

29:58 How does a leader help others discern where to best go for help?

31:33 Finding qualified experts

35:15 What not to do

42:31 Other helpful resources

TranscriptKay >> Hi. I'm Kay Daigle. Welcome to the Beyond Ordinary Women podcast and video episode. Today's topic is designed to help you as a leader when you feel stuck or if you're struggling personally or in your ministry. We want to help you, and to do that we have invited two special guests to be with us, Jodie Niznik and Julie Pierce.

Welcome.

Jodie >> Thank you. It's good to be here.

Kay >> Well, thank you for giving us your time and being here to help leaders in this situation.

And we're really reaching out to you as leaders. You may not even need this right now. You may not need it right this moment, but you may need it later, so this episode is very important. It will help you if you need some support just because you're not sure what to do next in your ministry, or how to deal with a problem—whether it's that you have burned out or whether you just need some emotional support, whatever it is.

We are here to help direct you to the right person because there are choices. And we're going to talk about the choices of going to a spiritual director, a counselor, coach, or just a pastor. What are the differences? And when would you go to one and not the other? We'll talk about their areas of expertise to help you make that decision.

So let's talk about you, Jodie, for just a minute. Jodie has a scripture meditation podcast, So Much More that is excellent. Jodie has been on a church staff, and she understands what it's like to have that kind of pressure on you to be a spiritual leader.

And we've had some great previous conversations with Jodie. We've talked about leadership lessons from the life of Moses. We've talked about taking a personal retreat. We've talked about spiritual practices that can help us.

So look at her full bio on our website, BeyondOrdinaryWomen.org, and learn more about her. So, Jodie, we're just thrilled that you were able to be with us again.

Jodie >> Thanks, Kay. It's always so, so good to be here.

Kay >> And Julie, we are delighted to have you come for the first time—and hopefully it won't be for the last that you’ll be able to join us. Julie and I first met years ago. We were on the same church staff. I believe your title was church Communications Director.

Julie >> Yes. Good memory, Kay. It feels like a long time ago.

Kay >> Yeah, I started thinking that was probably it. Julie has a whole list of churches where she has served and also helped with their leadership situation. And she just has had a lot of leadership development roles...