Late-summer update! This week on the program, we bring you a super spicy interview that Justin did on the TechZing podcast.

• Do you really need to build an audience before you build your product?
• Justin's tweet
• There's this idea that you need to grow an audience, talk to an audience, and then build something they want. Is that really necessary?
• IndieHackers interview with Vincent Woo
• justinjackson.ca/surfing
• Tweet: what do we mean when we say "audience?"

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