DONE PLAYING BY THE RULES

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  • Fidelity- Are we really made for this?

    This is a classic “shit you’re not supposed to talk about” conversation.  Welcome to two very different takes on an emotionally charged topic: fidelity.  This week, Jenna and Jenelle talk going through partners' phones, how your family of origin affects your attachment and trust style, and why we both have such different feelings on fidelity and monogamy.  

    Jenna and Jenelle also get in a debate about how to pronounce the name “Esther” and in case you were wondering, in THIS incident, Jenelle might be right. But Esther Perel is a hugely popular author and speaker regarding all aspects of marriage and infidelity and this is a very interesting jumping off point:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmiKAoAmYSg

    Jenna rounds out the episode by asking Jenelle if she’s ever cheated (and Jenelle forgets to ask Jenna the same question).  Jenna also tells the story of the time she went her “neighborhood swingers club” with her mom.  They really are covering it ALL this week, people!

    Article about the swingers club- https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/swingtown-6405649

    Jenelle’s Book(s): Mating in Captivity by Esther Perel 

    Sex at Dawn by Cacilda Jethá and Christopher Ryan

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/marriage-equals/201910/choosing-fidelity-in-your-marriage

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-without-limits/201008/the-new-monogamy%3famp

    1 hr 10 min
  • Saying "yes" to your kids.

    This week, Jenna and Jenelle only get slightly sidetracked with their ramblings for the first 8 minutes, but stick it out, because this topic is another “real-time experiment” with our kids.  Does making an effort to say “yes” more often result in happier, more secure, and more self-sufficient kids?  Early research points to the answer being yes.

    They’ll also challenge you (and themselves) to think of a “yes moment”, where you say “yes” to something you might normally say no to.  Also, have you tried saying “no, because…” and if you don’t have good “because”, maybe it’s not a real no?

    All this and more, on this week’s adventurous episode. 

    51 min
  • Our Favorite Podcasts, True Crimes (and other ramblings)
    This time around, Jenna and Jenelle completely veer off course and decide to just spend the whole show talking about their favorite podcasts (mostly true crime but plenty of random stuff mixed in). They also ramble on about their earliest true crime memories, the TV shows that shaped their obsessions (shout out to family dinners in front of the TV with COPS blaring), and how Jenna claims she watched a “kid’s version of X-files”. Jenelle discusses the Jacob Wetterling case and Jenna reflects on the abductions of Amber Hagerman and Opal Jennings. We wrap it up with some more ramblings and then our favorite sleep podcasts, for the grown ups and the babies.
    **At the time of recoding, Gabby Petito was still a missing person, and Jenna and Jenelle were staying up all night reading every news update. While the story is still unfolding at the time of releasing this episode, Gabby’s remains have been found and our prayers and thoughts are with her family as well as with the families of the other Wildflower/Moab murder victims.
    53 min
  • Clean Living (& Dirty Feet)
    Have you ever wanted to dive into the world of cleaner living? Well, listen in as the ladies give their top tips on getting started and share where they are in their clean living journeys. They cover everything from what you put in your body, what you put on your body and what is in the environment you live in. Also, why our kids (and mamas) always have dirty feet.
    1 hr 10 min
  • Give me a reason why. Because it makes me happy.

    Have you ever said “Oh, I wish I could do that!”? Well, let’s see if you can actually do it!  Jenna will give out practical tips for changing the trajectory of your life, whether that’s a new job or picking (or skipping) a life partner.  Are people around you placing expectations on you to follow a certain path that doesn’t feel right to you in your gut?  Or have you ever considered picking up and starting your life in a new part of the country?  Jenna and Jenelle will tell you how (at the 45 minute mark) and more.  And if you’re not sold on taking action now, listen to the very beautiful end of this one, because you know that old cliche about life being short?  Well it’s TRUE.

    This episode focuses on life plans, taking risks and carving your own path.  We get questions from younger friends (and same aged peers) all the time about how we made our dreams come true.  And while no one’s life is perfect, most certainly not ours, we have crafted some pretty wild lives that we happen to love.  So when people ask us “how do I do X? It will disappoint (parent, friend, etc)”, we show you the way to make it happen.  It won’t be easy but nothing worth anything ever is.  Come take control of your life and take some risks with us.  We promise, it won’t be boring!

    Marilyn’s Book Club Recommendation: Anxious People- https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/anxious-people-fredrik-backman/1135441021

    1 hr 10 min
  • Thyroid health: interview with a registered dietician specializing in thyroid health

    This week Jenna and Jenelle are thrilled to get to pick Whitney Crouch’s brain for 45 minutes.  Whitney is a no BS registered dietician helping women address the root-causes of thyroid issues so they can reclaim their energy and resilience. She will walk us through the basics of what the thyroid is and does and then dig deeper into what you should be looking for if you think “something is off”. She also gives us practical advice on what tests to ask your GP to run and what to do if you doctor is hesitant to fully dig into your concerns.  

    Trigger warning: Miscarriage briefly discussed at the 18:20 mark

    Whitney’s IG is a wealth of information: @whitneyc.the.rd

    Whitney’s 9/9/21 workshop sign up is LIVE now and can be found in her IG profile.  

    46 min
  • Parenting "failures": NO ONE IS PERFECT
    Listen to this fun episode to hear Jenna and Jenelle talk about parenting "failures". Are you tired of people asking you "When is your child going to (fill in the blank)?" or "Why can't your child (blank) yet"? Well we certainly are and we rant about our biggest society constructed "failures" and how we have started to follow our kid's lead and let many standards and benchmarks go to the wayside.
    1 hr 24 min
  • Twylla Jane schools us on authenticity (and Tik Tok)

    Please join us in spending an hour with one of our favorite people we have met this year. Jenelle was introduced to Twylla by a mutual hairstylist/friend, and it was an immediate connection. Then Jenna became obsessed with Twylla’s tik-tik (she boasts 50k+ followers with millions of views). Twylla is also an owner-operator of the most magical, authentic, inclusive salon and her team shows that she truly practices what she preaches, which is: be you and the very best version of you, no matter what that looks like.

    Jenelle is a “recovering people pleaser” (tune in about minute 24 if this is you) and Twylla won’t tip-toe around asking “why are you like that?” (Her patent-pending signature phrase).  Do you apologize too often, or for no reason, like standing unintentionally in someone’s path? Why do we feel the need to people-please even at the expense of our own physical and mental well-being?  Why do we value “work-aholism”?  Why are we not all being 100% authentic to ourselves every day?  Why do we stay in ruts that leave us exhausted, unhappy and unhealthy?  Twylla doesn’t have all the answers, but she will challenge us all to start the journey of exploration.  So buckle up!  

    We will also touch on the dark underbelly of social media influencers, who can buy followers and seemingly give medical advice with no medical background.

    IG: @twyllajane

    TikTok: @twyllajane

    1 hr 14 min
  • Purity Culture
    This week Jenna and Jenelle wander into “purity culture”, which seemingly sky-rocketed to pop culture center stage in the early 2000’s. However, it has actually been a cornerstone of many faiths (most prominently, Evangelical Christians) for much longer. It is a topic we find ourselves frequently touching on as adult women and questioning as moms of small kids. How will WE teach our kids body autonomy, consent, body positivity and sex positive outlooks?Jenna and Jenelle grew up in religious or semi-religious households and both spent time in private schools, so they have some hot takes on how they want to raise their babies differently then they were raised, to put it mildly.
    **Trigger warning: sexual assault is discussed (vaguely)
    1 hr 19 min
  • Jacquelyn: Her breast cancer journey
    This episode will revolve around Jacquelyn’s breast cancer journey. Jacquelyn was a healthy, active, 35 year old mom of two young boys, with no history of breast cancer in her family and was diagnosed with Ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS) after discovering a large lump during a self-exam. Jacquelyn bravely and openly discusses the scary moments from that first lump in the shower to the diagnosis and subsequent surgeries and chemotherapy.
    1 hr 4 min

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Jenna and Jenelle LOVE talking about all the shit you don't want to tell anyone else. So whether you're a mom, dad, caregiver, human adult, we're here to talk about all the mess.