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In Part 1, friends of the show John Nelson and Josh Parikh returned as guests and discussed “McGrewvianism”, which is the apologetic approach of partners Tim & Lydia McGrew.  Their critiques of McGrewvianism centred largely in lack of engagement in the last 150 years of scholarship into the New Testament documents and they related this extensively to the McGrew’s use of ‘Undesigned Coincidences’ to establish the historical reliability of the NT narratives.
Jonathan McLatchie, who we also consider a friend of the show, is in the McGrew camp and wrote a helpful response blog, which also concentrated on Undesigned Coincidences.  In this episode we discuss his responses and we take a wider look at contradictions between texts as a potentially symmetrical opposite concept to Undesigned Coincidences.
 
Links:
We discussed ‘undesigned coincidences’ with Jonathan McLatchie in our episode 29.
 
Jonathan’s blog, which we are responding to, is:
https://jonathanmclatchie.com/have-john-nelson-and-josh-parikh-refuted-the-reportage-model/  
 
The tome Andrew mentioned on the Encyclopaedia of Bible Difficulties
https://www.amazon.co.uk/International-Encyclopedia-Difficulties-Understand-Zondervans/dp/0310241464
 
The criminal case Frances discussed: a summary of the Hanratty case is here:
https://mobile-webview.gmail.com/-1530513736/426787727007691964
(You can access the full judgment from a link on the summary page.)
 
[We didn’t give Bible references in the podcast to the uncertainty over the disciple Andrew’s home, which impacts on Philip’s. They are John 1v44 and Mark 1v21, 22 & 29]
 
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We return to our “Doubts Aloud Book Club” with a second episode on Tom Holland’s book ‘Dominion’ which has caused quite a stir in Christian apologetics circles over the last few years. We cover some of the critical responses, including ours. But most importantly we sought out responses from historians.   Tom makes a bold and interesting set of claims that we list, and then we assess them with a wider philosophical view to go with the historical story that Dominion presents.
 
Links:
The book Dominion:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dominion-Making-Western-Tom-Holland/dp/0349141207
 
Book reviews we found:
Jenkins - in Christianity Today
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2020/january-web-only/tom-holland-dominion-christian-revolution.html
 
De Groot – in The Times
https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/dominion-by-tom-holland-review-7pc255qs7
 
Jonathan Sumption – in The Spectator
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/did-christianity-make-the-western-mind-or-was-it-the-other-way-round/
 
The Unbelievable episodes with Tom that we discuss:
With AC Grayling:
https://youtu.be/7eSyz3BaVK8?si=TOdafNjHf22AJuov
And with Andrew Ollerton:
https://youtu.be/f2_W6eCijV4?si=QBEuJnA1N-xyxS7t
 
The Jennifer Glance book on slavery in early Christianity
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Slavery-Early-Christianity-Jennifer-Glancy/dp/0800637895
 
Rowan Williams book, Passions of the Soul
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Passions-Soul-Rowan-Williams/dp/1399415689
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Friends of the show John Nelson and Josh Parikh return as guests together. They introduce Josh’s new term to the world: McGrewvianism, which is the apologetic approach of partners Tim & Lydia McGrew.  They are scholars in their own fields but do not use the methods of modern NT scholarship when arguing for the historical reliability of the gospels. Potentially this can be seen as fresh air, but Josh & John dig deeper.
 
This will be the first episode of a 2 part set. Josh & John cover such topics as McGrewvianism treatment of modern NT scholarship and their key ‘undesigned coincidences’ argument.
 
Links:
We discussed ‘undesigned coincidences’ with Jonathan McLatchie in our episode 29.
 
John’s blog, which has a post on undesigned coincidences, is:
https://www.behindthegospels.com/
 
The McGrews
https://lydiamcgrew.com/
Tim doesn’t seem to have a home page for his work, search for him on Amazon, or here:
https://wmich.edu/philosophy/directory/mcgrew
 
 
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Tom Holland’s book ‘Dominion’ has caused quite a stir in Christian apologetics circles over the last few years and we’ve been reading it. We also attended a church leader’s evening where he was the speaker.  So we thought we would start a “Doubts Aloud Book Club” with Dominion the first book covered.We introduce Tom, his current faith position and the book, we discuss his style and how much we enjoyed the read. 

We present the key messages that Tom seeks to make and talk about whether it’s a book useful for apologetics.  Finally, we read some extracts that had struck us and discussed them.A later episode on the book will cover more on the critical responses, including ours.  He makes a bold and interesting set of claims that we can both learn from and see where we, and historians, may disagree. Links:That book

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dominion-Making-Western-Tom-Holland/dp/0349141207

The Justin Brierley Spectator article:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-christian-revival-is-under-way-in-britain/  

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We are excited to have guest Rev Michael Roberts with us, he’s an Oxford geologist who subsequently became an Anglican vicar. He is extremely knowledgeable on the history of geology and the age of the earth in science, Christian academic thought, theology and the modern Young Earth movement. Did you know that Darwin was a geologist at the start of his career? Neither did we. Links:Michael’s blog is:

https://michaelroberts4004.wordpress.com/

Michael’s paper “Just before the Beagle”:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17qo3zEeYKZlwL_Y8DpoX3F-35BO4rPPz/view?usp=sharing

His 5 day trip exploring Darwin in Wales

https://www.newscientist.com/tours/retracing-charles-darwins-travels-across-north-wales/?
fbclid=IwAR372bjMkHAcr0UU4p6B9KqztYkaOk5bxLH4PUgXRT06Nfo75iuhank-gac

That Ovid book

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamorphoses

That Genesis Flood 1961 book:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Genesis_Flood(

The link also mentions the Bernard Ramm book “The Christian View of Science and Scripture” we mentioned.) That irreverent cartoon on Adam and Eve overpopulating the globe due to obedience:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziQrzXmjk-M Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using: [email protected] Join the Facebook Group discussions:

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his month we return to that different form of Apologetics - Presuppositional Apologetics. Please see Part 1 - Episode 70 - where we gave a more social and historical background to it. Here we look at the basic argument made: the Transcendental Argument for God, “TAG”. We set it out and discuss implications and objections to it. Links:The Debunking Christianity material on Presup:

https://www.debunking-christianity.com/2022/08/the-failure-of-van-tillian.html

The short clip of someone doing a ‘reverse Presup’ on Presuppositional Apologists, invoking a “non-conscious power”:

https://youtu.be/BPF8lcYWQ1Y?si=_B8mO9jUKdA6z8Q7

Blog expanding on our point that our desire for there to be reliable rationality does not show there ishttps://useofreason.wordpress.com/2019/05/10/the-limitations-of-transcendental-arguments/ Julian Baggini’s book “How the World Thinks”

https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-World-Thinks-History-Philosophy/dp/1783782285

The Dan Linford paper given to us by Josh on skeptical theism and how it destroys TAG

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4iojx3honcv4mv4/On_Knowledge_Without_God_Van_Tillian_Pre.docx?fbclid=IwAR34-aQh0Kny9J6pTCQbSKyiiuZauzza1j4ddu4WeCTE3XsXCGqdJFq4sa4

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We deal with the current conflict in Israel and Gaza by looking at the influence of religion, in the minds of the Israeli leaders & the settlers taking land in the West Bank and also in the minds of the Evangelical Zionist backers in the UK and US. 

The UK evangelical influence is more of historical interest but the US is very current and is influencing events now. Links etc:

The video by Al Jazeera used for extracts at the start of the show – “How Evangelicals Betray Christians In The Holy Land”https://youtu.be/nHT-SjIM0tA?si=yok7IZPkxAMyasQf

Sky News – the Benjamin Netanyahu speech with translation, Amalek bit from 1min50shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5LmB6uup3o

Guardian article with quotes from a settler and an administrator of settlementshttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/these-are-biblical-lands-promised-to-us-jewish-settlers-in-west-bank-hope-gaza-conflict-will-help-their-cause

Pew Research on Jews in Israelhttps://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/03/08/in-israel-jews-are-united-by-homeland-but-divided-into-very-different-groups/ Israel Policy Forum article (an American Jewish organization that works for a negotiated solution to the conflict)https://israelpolicyforum.org/west-bank-settlements-explained/ The video from Turkish TV with a Rabbi condemning Israeli aggression in Gazahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FNtMV2i8-8 Factual article on the British evangelicals behind the Balfour Declarationhttps://balfourproject.org/evangelicals-the-balfour-declaration-and-zionism/ UK Christian teacher David Pawson's lecture:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ika1apsadrQ Video of Franklin Graham Meeting Netanyahuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozWdH8s32pI Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using: [email protected] Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

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In this episode Andrew shares his research on the origins of the Book of Mormon and the early roots of the Mormon church. This includes discussing the belief that gold plates were discoverd near New York in the early 19th century that gave the purported story of jews emigrating from the holy land to the americas in around 600 BC. Andrew also covers aspects of the character and background of the founder of the Mormon church, Joseph Smith. Also discussed is the cultural context and setting with the probable sources that influenced the formation of the book of Mormon. We also discuss the very facinating succesors to the Jospeth Smith, Brigham Young and also his rival, a certain James Strang and his very facinating story.

For the hosts of this podcast we cannot help but see so many parallels with Mormonism and evangelical christianity. The many schisms, the fundamentalist and progressive divide, the apologetic strategies, prophecies that were unfullfilled and the pure devotion and passion for the book of Mormon as the word of God. All these aspects ring so true with evanglical christianity. Its easy as outsiders to see right through Mormonism but not so easy to look at ones own faith with the same level of honest critiscism.

We have so much evidence to wade through with Mormon history and we can't help but think what would the early roots of Christianity look like if we had the wealth of contempory evidence that Mormon history has at our disposal. Would it bring to light the dark side of the human interactions and stories surrounding christian origins that would shock us if the reality was like that of the history of the Mormon church?

The facinating story of James Strang, a contender to succeed Josepth Smith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl83_X1Zslw