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Strategic Bitcoin Reserves remain one of the most intensely debated topics in the digital currency landscape. Just a few days back, US President Trump has signed an Executive Order that states the establishment of both a Bitcoin Reserve and a broader Digital Asset Stockpile in the US. In this new episode of the Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock’n’Roll (BFRR) podcast, host Jonas Gross explores the topic of Bitcoin Reserves with Dr. Jürgen Schaaf, advisor to the Senior Management at the European Central Bank (ECB). Following a previous episode that examined the pro-Bitcoin Reserve perspective, this conversation dives deep into the counterarguments.
Dr. Schaaf points to Bitcoin's fundamental limitations. He argues that Bitcoin mainly failed to deliver on its original promise as a payment system, points to its extreme volatility as a barrier to mainstream adoption and questions its utility. The discussion distinguishes between three distinct reserve models that are often conflated in public discourse: strategic reserves, foreign exchange reserves, and sovereign wealth funds. Dr. Schaaf provides an analysis of whether from his perspective any of these three frameworks presents a legitimate economic case for institutions holding Bitcoin —with conclusions that may surprise listeners.
After two comprehensive episodes on Bitcoin reserves—examining both the supportive and critical viewpoints—stay tuned for an upcoming episode where the BFRR team will thoughtfully reflect on these discussions and share their own perspective on this both controversial and timely topic.
Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll Website
Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll Telegram Channel
x Profile Jürgen Schaaf
LinkedIn Profile Jonas Gross
Previous episode with Frank Schäffler on Bitcoin Reserves
Paper Schaaf & Bindseil: The distributional consequences of Bitcoin
Article FAZ by Jürgen Schaaf and Ulrich Bindseil: Was Gegen eine strategische Bitcoin-Reserve spricht
[BFRR Episode: ](Bitcoin-Papier der EZB: Zerstört Bitcoin die Demokratie](https://www.bfrr.de/bitcoin-kritik-in-paper-der-ezb/)
Relai*: Buy Bitcoin with Relai – you can do a one-time purchase or savings plan: Click here. Use the referral code "ROCK" to reduce transaction fees by 0.1% while supporting Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll.
Value4Value Podcast Streaming: Support our podcast by listening to our episodes on the Fountain Podcast App. This way, if you wish, you can support us "Value4Value" while listening to the podcast. You can find us on the Fountain Podcast App here: Click here
Digital Euro Conference Partnership: BFRR partners with the Digital Euro Conference 2025 taking place on March 27 in Frankfurt. DEC25 brings together leading voices shaping the financial landscape, covering topics around retail and wholesale CBDCs, stablecoins, and tokenized money in general. As an official event partner, BFRR gives away one free ticket for physical participation in Frankfurt. If you are interested, please write us an email to [email protected] by January 31st. If you are not the “lucky winner”, you get 20% off the ticket prices with the code “BFRR20”. To buy your ticket go to the official website Click here and insert the code “BFRR20”.
Disclaimer: The content of this podcast reflects the private opinions of the hosts, serves exclusively for general information purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Always remember: Do your own research - inform yourself before making any investment decisions, such as buying Bitcoin. First try to understand what Bitcoin is and how to store it. This podcast does not provide financial advice. Note that the co-hosts might be invested in crypto assets. Read more on our website: Click here
All links marked with "*" are affiliate links. If you use these links for purchase, the podcast receives a small share of the revenue without any additional costs to you. On the contrary, affiliate links often include discount promotions, so you can even save money. We would appreciate it if you use these links to support us. Thank you very much!
Strategic Bitcoin Reserves remain one of the most intensely debated topics in the digital currency landscape. Just a few days back, US President Trump has signed an Executive Order that states the establishment of both a Bitcoin Reserve and a broader Digital Asset Stockpile in the US. In this new episode of the Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock’n’Roll (BFRR) podcast, host Jonas Gross explores the topic of Bitcoin Reserves with Dr. Jürgen Schaaf, advisor to the Senior Management at the European Central Bank (ECB). Following a previous episode that examined the pro-Bitcoin Reserve perspective, this conversation dives deep into the counterarguments.
Dr. Schaaf points to Bitcoin's fundamental limitations. He argues that Bitcoin mainly failed to deliver on its original promise as a payment system, points to its extreme volatility as a barrier to mainstream adoption and questions its utility. The discussion distinguishes between three distinct reserve models that are often conflated in public discourse: strategic reserves, foreign exchange reserves, and sovereign wealth funds. Dr. Schaaf provides an analysis of whether from his perspective any of these three frameworks presents a legitimate economic case for institutions holding Bitcoin —with conclusions that may surprise listeners.
After two comprehensive episodes on Bitcoin reserves—examining both the supportive and critical viewpoints—stay tuned for an upcoming episode where the BFRR team will thoughtfully reflect on these discussions and share their own perspective on this both controversial and timely topic.
Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll Website
Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll Telegram Channel
x Profile Jürgen Schaaf
LinkedIn Profile Jonas Gross
Previous episode with Frank Schäffler on Bitcoin Reserves
Paper Schaaf & Bindseil: The distributional consequences of Bitcoin
Article FAZ by Jürgen Schaaf and Ulrich Bindseil: Was Gegen eine strategische Bitcoin-Reserve spricht
[BFRR Episode: ](Bitcoin-Papier der EZB: Zerstört Bitcoin die Demokratie](https://www.bfrr.de/bitcoin-kritik-in-paper-der-ezb/)
Relai*: Buy Bitcoin with Relai – you can do a one-time purchase or savings plan: Click here. Use the referral code "ROCK" to reduce transaction fees by 0.1% while supporting Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll.
Value4Value Podcast Streaming: Support our podcast by listening to our episodes on the Fountain Podcast App. This way, if you wish, you can support us "Value4Value" while listening to the podcast. You can find us on the Fountain Podcast App here: Click here
Digital Euro Conference Partnership: BFRR partners with the Digital Euro Conference 2025 taking place on March 27 in Frankfurt. DEC25 brings together leading voices shaping the financial landscape, covering topics around retail and wholesale CBDCs, stablecoins, and tokenized money in general. As an official event partner, BFRR gives away one free ticket for physical participation in Frankfurt. If you are interested, please write us an email to [email protected] by January 31st. If you are not the “lucky winner”, you get 20% off the ticket prices with the code “BFRR20”. To buy your ticket go to the official website Click here and insert the code “BFRR20”.
Disclaimer: The content of this podcast reflects the private opinions of the hosts, serves exclusively for general information purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Always remember: Do your own research - inform yourself before making any investment decisions, such as buying Bitcoin. First try to understand what Bitcoin is and how to store it. This podcast does not provide financial advice. Note that the co-hosts might be invested in crypto assets. Read more on our website: Click here
All links marked with "*" are affiliate links. If you use these links for purchase, the podcast receives a small share of the revenue without any additional costs to you. On the contrary, affiliate links often include discount promotions, so you can even save money. We would appreciate it if you use these links to support us. Thank you very much!
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