In this episode of the Hopecast, Dr. Jane Goodall is joined by Dr. Evan Antin, an exotic animal and wildlife veterinarian at Conejo Valley Vet Hospital and animal advocate. His passion for animals and educational posts have amassed him over 1 million followers on Instagram. He also works with the Jane Goodall Institute to raise awareness around the need to stop harmful animal selfies on social media, through JGI’s ForeverWild campaign. Growing up in Kansas, he was always fascinated with wildlife and the local ecosystems that existed in the creek in his backyard. Jane and Evan discuss how their inexplicable immediate love for animals as children impacted their chosen paths in life and their dedication to educating people to protect them, as individuals and as species. Dr. Antin speaks about how inspired he is by Dr. Goodall’s new book, The Book of Hope, and how the messages in the book are exactly what the world needs right now. Evan asks Jane about what she has learned from spending so much time alone in nature and Jane shares her spiritual belief that there is “intelligence behind the universe.” Together, they discuss what they’ve learned from their time spent with wild and domesticated animals and how it has changed their outlook on the world. Jane describes how she sees her role in life and in her lifelong career, a sentiment shared by Dr. Antin: “A naturalist is driven by awe and wonder and a deep desire to find out the truth.”

At the End of the Rainbow: Stay to the end of the episode to hear an archival clip of Dr. Jane Goodall speaking about how much the scientific community can learn from observing the interactions, emotions, and resourcefulness of chimpanzees in the wild.