Upali interviews Tucker in this episode.  In a wide-ranging conversation, they touch on:

• Many of us look for self esteem to pretty much everyone we meet, or to no one at all, rather than in a sane place.
• Doing what you'd like to do, and being in community, are opposite stances.  How do we balance these?
• Tucker talks about Sanity & Sainthood, both the name of his book and what he sees as the two goals of dharma practice and psychotherapy.  This is distinguished from the point of practice being to get and keep an awesome feeling.
  
  

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