In this gripping episode of Drone Wars, we sit down with two incredible Ukrainian pilots—one of the country's top trainers, having trained over 5,000 pilots, and another, an elite combat pilot. They share their firsthand experiences from the front lines, where drone warfare is evolving in real time.

We discuss:

• The critical mistakes NATO and the U.S. are making in their approach to Ukraine's drone war.
• Why reliance on GPS in modern warfare is a fatal flaw.
• The rapid adaptability of drone operators and why they are not in a "safe" profession.
• How North Korean troops fighting in Ukraine could change the balance of power in East Asia.
• The role of technology and why immediate, full-scale support is crucial to Ukraine’s survival.

This is a must-listen for defense policymakers, military strategists, and anyone interested in the future of warfare.

About Drone Wars

The Drone Wars Podcast serves the warfighters, builders and innovators who all share a common goal: get the best tech into the hands of those on the frontlines. 

Dan Magy, Co-Founder and CEO of Firestorm Labs, explores all things defense and geopolitics with experts in the industry.