Today on Due South, a conversation with Ted Shaw, a law professor and director of the UNC Center for Civil Rights who once led the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and argued cases in front of the Supreme Court. Shaw talks with Leoneda Inge about the battles he fought then and the resonance they have now, and about his deep connection to civil rights legal legend Thurgood Marshall.

Then, Leoneda talks with the director and an executive producer of the new PBS documentary “Becoming Thurgood” – about the life and immense impact of the civil rights attorney turned U.S. Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall.

Theodore “Ted” M. Shaw, the Julius L. Chambers Distinguished Professor of Law, and Director of the UNC Center for Civil Rights, at the UNC School of Law

Alexis Aggrey, Director and Producer, “Becoming Thurgood: America's Social Architect”

Travis Mitchell, Executive Producer, “Becoming Thurgood: America's Social Architect”

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Mediterranean Deli plans a reopening – more than two years after a fire burned one of the area’s most well-known and loved restaurants. Leoneda Inge talks with the owner about the community’s support. This conversation originally aired February 26, 2025.

Jamil Kadoura, owner of Mediterranean Deli in Chapel Hill

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“Pronatalism” has been in the news lately, in part due to high profile leaders embracing the idea. UNC sociologist Karen Guzzo talks about a movement gaining momentum that could have an impact on federal policy impacting women and families. This conversation originally aired June 16, 2025.

Karen Guzzo, Professor in the Department of Sociology and Director of the Carolina Population Center, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

On the North Carolina News Roundup...

Debate over Helene recovery funds continues. Governor Josh Stein is calling for more help from the federal government. President Trump says the governor is unfit to run a state. Congress has still yet to act on the state’s request for more than $11 billion in relief.

Groups of students across the country are walking out of their classrooms Friday to bring attention to gun violence in schools.

And the latest on Winston-Salem/Forsyth County Schools where a massive budget hole has led to layoffs. 

Due South co-host Jeff Tiberii and a panel of journalists cover the week in NC news. 

Colin Campbell, Capitol Bureau Chief, WUNC

Brianna Atkinson, higher education reporter, WUNC

Liz Schlemmer, education reporter, WUNC

Amy Diaz, education reporter, WFDD

Danielle Battaglia, Capitol Hill correspondent, The News & Observer/The Charlotte Observer/McClatchy

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Miller Motte College in Raleigh has been rebounding quickly since the pandemic. Enrollment for trade professions is rising, particularly in fields like HVAC, welding, dental hygienics, plumbing and CDL.

Molly Carney, President at Miller-Motte College - Raleigh

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Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum joins Due South to discuss the challenges facing college leaders as financial constraints and diversity restrictions impact college campuses. Dr. Tatum also discusses her new book, "Peril and Promise: College Leadership in Perilous Times."

Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum, president emerita, Spelman College and author of “Peril and Promise: College Leadership in Perilous Times”

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Following passage of a federal budget bill, cuts are coming to Medicaid. The impacts will be felt by Americans living in lower income thresholds, predominantly in rural outposts. Due South co-host Jeff Tiberii has a conversation about the looming changes ahead for patients and providers in North Carolina. 

Nick de la Canal, reporter and host at WFAE – Charlotte’s NPR News Source

Shannon Dowler, former CMO of NC Medicaid, and family doctor

Sarah Jane Tribble, Chief Rural Health Correspondent KFF News

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A new romance novel set in Gatlinburg, Tennessee tackles themes of infidelity, infertility, strained family dynamics and single parenting. Due South co-host Leoneda Inge chats with debut author Ashley Jordan about her book Once Upon a Time in Dollywood. 

Ashley Jordan, author, Once Upon a Time in Dollywood

It's been more than seven months since President Trump was sworn into office for his second term, but efforts to deconstruct the administrative state were in motion long before his January inauguration. There is a framework by which the President, his advisers, and other conservatives have pursued this remaking of many government norms.

Durham-based writer David A. Graham is author of the book The Project: How Project 2025 Is Reshaping America. Today, an encore edition of Graham’s April conversation with Due South's Jeff Tiberii about Project 2025, plus an update with Graham on how the blueprint has continued to make change across the country this summer. Parts of this interview originally aired April 29, 2025.

David Graham, staff writer for The Atlantic; author of The Project: How Project 2025 Is Reshaping America

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More children ages 1 to 4 die from drowning than from any other cause of death. And drowning is the second leading cause of unintentional injury death for kids ages 5 through 14. Swim for Charlie is a local nonprofit organization helping second graders to learn how to swim. We're joined by the organization's president, who offers water safety tips for swimmers. This interview originally aired June 11, 2024.

Dr. Jonathan Klein, President and Board Chair of Swim for Charlie

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Ruth Pointer is the eldest sister in the Pointer family and the only surviving member of the legendary Pointer sisters. She talks to Leoneda Inge about her long career and what it's been like to perform without her sisters (and with her daughter and granddaughter by her side). This interview originally aired July 11, 2024.

Ruth Pointer, founding member of the Pointer Sisters

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Columbus County, NC doesn’t have a single public pool, and, says Border Belt Independent reporter Ben Rappaport, the nearest one is at least an hour away. He talks to co-host Leoneda Inge about a story he reported in partnership with The Assembly called “The Abandoned Pools of Columbus County.” It’s a story of economics and rural decay, and a story of racism. This interview originally aired September 3, 2024. 

Ben Rappaport, reporter at the Border Belt Independent

On the North Carolina News Roundup...

A paradox in political news was on display this week. In DC, the gushing flow of updates continued, while in Raleigh, progress on the budget has stalled. We'll sift through the happenings — and the lack thereof. 

Plus, public schools are back, water quality issues persist down east, and college football returns.

Join Due South co-host Jeff Tiberii and a panel of reporters for a recap of the week's news. 

Colin Campbell, Capitol Bureau Chief, WUNC

Dawn Vaughan, Capitol Bureau Chief, The News & Observer

Nathan Collins, Investigative Reporter, The News & Observer

Danielle Battaglia, Capitol Hill Correspondent, The News & Observer/The Charlotte Observer/McClatchy

Charlie Fossen, Reporter, Port City Daily

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Across the state and country, college football kicks off. Jeff Tiberii and a panel of local sports journalists discuss the major storylines, changes in the sport, and what you need to know as you head to the tailgate in the Saturdays ahead.

Mitch Northam, covers women's college sports for Vox and SB Nation's Breakaway

Brian Murphy, WRAL sports investigative reporter

Kate Rogerson, Sports Anchor & Reporter at ABC11/WTVD

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A jazz and blues festival celebrating the life of saxophonist and composer John Coltrane marks its 14th anniversary in High Point, NC. The John Coltrane International Jazz and Blues Festival attracts some of the genres’ top talent, which includes Me’shell Ndegeocello, Jose James, Nnenna Freelon, Take 6 and John Brown this year.

Patrick Harman and Joe Williams, festival organizers

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Brandi Hand was born and raised in New Orleans. She grew up hearing warnings about the potential of The Big Storm – a hypothetical weather event that would leave the city underwater. When that event came in the form of Hurricane Katrina in 2005, Brandi and her husband Tom lost their home. 

They eventually relocated to Asheville, believing they would be safe from similar natural disasters in the mountains of North Carolina. Then Helene hit in 2024. On the 20th anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, we talk to a survivor of not one, but two life-altering hurricanes.

Brandi Hand, writer, public relations professional and survivor of Hurricanes Katrina and Helene

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Hurricane Katrina made landfall in New Orleans on August 29, 2005. Twenty years later, the nation’s deadliest and costliest natural disaster still has lessons to teach us about how to protect, support and rebuild our most vulnerable communities before, during and after natural disasters.

Cassandra Davis, assistant professor of public policy, UNC-Chapel Hill

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In the days immediately following Hurricane Katrina’s devastation in New Orleans, the state of North Carolina welcomed more than 300 evacuees seeking temporary refuge. 

We talk to Gov. Bev Perdue, who served as lieutenant governor during Hurricane Katrina, about the days following the storm and how the lessons she learned then served her during natural disaster crises she faced during her own term as governor.

Beverly Perdue, 73rd governor of North Carolina