You're going to be fascinated and educated by this conversation with this week's guest, Joshua Hoffert. We're talking about the Desert Fathers and Mothers. Who are they and what do they represent? We're also demystifying what it means to be a mystic.

"God is a mystery and requires you to let go of your need to control in order to know and understand - in order to heart know him - not just mind know him.  This is a mystic."

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