In the conclusion of this powerful conversation with Joshua Hoffert, we explore what it means to be contempletive, the importance of self care, and learning to experience God in the mundane.

"We do a disservice to the desire God has to dwell in our hearts by constantly desiring some external experience. God longs to dwell in you. He sent his Spirit to dwell in your heart so he could talk with you. If you just exist from high point to high point you're never going to know his actual heart."

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