Hear them discuss:

01:00 – Drew’s early background, from finishing every math class in his state to becoming the world’s #1 ranked Guitar Hero player and how that discipline shaped his entrepreneurial journey

03:00 – The origin story of Ungambled and why sharp bettors needed a more systematic way to bonus hedge and extend the lifespan of partner accounts

05:00 – How the Ungambled app deliberately violates sharp-betting heuristics to profile accounts as “high-limit squares”

07:00 – The logic behind hedging bonuses, manipulating CLV signals, and timing-based strategies that minimize detection

08:00 – Why female accounts statistically receive higher bonuses and how users scale earnings through partner accounts

09:00 – Building “aggressive bonus farming” systems that generate $10–$20K in two months and how VIP programs expand opportunity

12:00 – The future of Ungambled: hedging multi-book parlays, advanced modeling, and automation designed to scale

14:00 – The business philosophy of leverage software, capital, people, and one-to-many systems and how it informs Drew’s long-term vision

17:00 – Prediction markets, crypto casinos, and whether bonuses shrink or sustain as the industry matures

19:00 – Why Drew rarely bets recreationally anymore and why same-game parlays still hold a soft spot for him

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