In this episode Jennifer engages in a timely conversation with Jen Stark and Jarrid Green, co-directors of the Center for Business and Social Justice, about their Social Justice Guide for Business and its implications in the wake of recent political developments. The discussion explores how companies can navigate DEI initiatives and social justice work during challenging times, examining the evolution from standalone programs to integrated approaches. The guests share insights on economic inclusion, identity politics, and the role of businesses in advancing social justice while adapting to changing political landscapes. They reflect on the sustainability of various DEI tools and metrics, including corporate equality indexes, while considering how organizations can maintain progress on inclusion even as traditional accountability measures face new pressures. The conversation offers both pragmatic strategies and hopeful perspectives on the future of social justice work in business.