In this episode, Jennifer is joined by author Sarah Miller as they explore the deeply intimate and complex relationship between journalist Lorena “Hick” Hickok and First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt. Drawing from Sarah’s extensive research and thousands of personal letters, they discuss how love, identity, and intimacy were expressed—and often obscured—before the language of modern queer identity existed. Together, they reflect on how this relationship redefines historical narratives, challenges binary thinking, and uplifts queer voices too often overlooked. This episode offers a powerful reminder to younger generations that they have always existed, and that queer love, in all its forms, has always found a way.