At one time, John Smid was one the most well-known names in “ex-gay” leadership, as the Executive Director of the country’s largest Conversion Therapy programs. These days, he lives a quiet live with his husband in a small town in Texas, and spends his time as a craftsman and custom furniture maker.

John is currently back in the spotlight, as one of the main characters in the movie “Boy Erased” is loosely based on him.

The REAL John Smid talks about his anger at the Fundamental theology that trapped him for so long, how he deals with his role as a former Conversion Therapy leader, and what he’s done to personally recover and move his life forward.

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John's book: https://goo.gl/e8ZhF6

"Grace Rivers" http://www.gracerivers.com/

"Grace Rivers" Facebook: https://goo.gl/iwuWQm

J & L Creative Design: https://goo.gl/dKjECp