Hans and Brian break down the four-stage framework for infinite banking mastery, drawn from Factum Financial's work observing how practitioners actually use their policies over time.

Most people who buy a whole life policy think they're "doing infinite banking." They're not. They're at Stage One—and most never make it past Stage Three. This episode walks through the progression from Saver to Wealth Builder to Business Banker to Infinite Banker, and explains why defining success is the only way to stop chasing "more" forever.

The conventional approach to money says sacrifice now, maybe live on rice and beans, and hope for abundance at 65. The infinite banking model allows you to live in abundance now while building exponentially greater wealth for future generations—but only if you understand what stage you're in and where you're actually going.

Chapters: 

00:00 - Opening segment

03:40 - Why most life insurance is just a drawer document

04:50 - Stage One: The Saver (financial education, awareness, saving strategy)

06:30 - Why getting the policy doesn't make you proficient

08:00 - Stage Two: The Wealth Builder (adding debt strategy and investing strategy)

11:15 - Understanding policy loan mechanics and efficient cash flow capture

12:00 - Multiple uses of your dollar: saving and debt repayment simultaneously

12:35 - Stage Three: The Business Banker (comprehensive integration)

14:00 - Raising deductibles and optimizing cash flow across all insurance

16:05 - Asset protection and trust structures

17:35 - The synergistic effect when investing strategies tie back into the system

18:00 - Stage Four: The Infinite Banker (maximum control and financial freedom)

18:25 - Jason Lowe's family with 77 policies financing nothing through banks

20:05 - The five areas of life: spiritual, personal, family, financial, occupation

22:35 - Hans's financial goals: zero budget on health/longevity and slow travel

24:30 - Why you need to get comfortable with material goals

26:00 - Finance as the area that spreads across everything else

27:35 - Even a simple quiet life requires getting financial loose ends tied up

29:10 - Leaving disorder vs leaving a legacy

31:30 - Identifying which stage you're in and continuously optimizing

32:25 - Recap of the four stages

32:35 - Contrasting with the conventional "no control" financial planning model

34:40 - Closing thoughts 

Key Takeaways:

• Stage One - The Saver: Getting the policy in place with financial education, awareness, and a saving strategy. Understanding why you have a term rider, what your MEC limit is, and the basic structure. Many clients can't fully explain these elements a year after purchase—that's normal, but it means you're still at Stage One.
  

• Stage Two - The Wealth Builder: Adding debt strategy and investing strategy on top of the whole life chassis. Using policy loans efficiently, understanding being your own banker, and making your dollars work in multiple places simultaneously. Most Remnant Finance clients are here.
  

• Stage Three - The Business Banker: Treating family cash flow like a business. Comprehensive integration of cash flow management, optimized insurance strategies (raising deductibles to maximize inflows), asset protection, and trust structures. The synergistic effect where investments flow back into the entire system.
  

• Stage Four - The Infinite Banker: True financial freedom with maximum control over your entire financial life. Multi-generational legacy where the next generation understands and participates.
  

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