ECFR's director Mark Leonard speaks with Beatrice de Graaf, Professor of History of International Relations at Utrecht University, Michiel van Hulten, one of the leaders of the Dutch yes-campaign, and Dick Oosting, CEO of ECFR, about the Dutch referendum and its results. In the second part he talks to Sam Coates, Deputy Political Editor of the Times, about the British referendum campaign. +++ Dear listeners, we have technical difficulties this week and we apologise for the sound quality +++Picture: Flickr/Notbrucelee

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