Our listeners have been along for the run with us for 16 years, since Steven’s kids were 2 and 4. Now they are out of the house, and it’s another midlife milestone. So let’s talk about it. What are the emotions that come with an empty nest? How is a mom or dad to face these jarring, difficult, exciting changes? How can one move past the clichés and respond in love? Plus: strength training, live comedy, platitudes on our walls, and Arnold shouting at the Predator.

*This episode has been edited to remove several details of Steven’s process that felt too private for the main feed. The unedited version (with an additional 3 minutes) is available behind the paywall on the Patreon now. If you are a subscriber, you can listen there.

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