It's an exciting time in cleantech as global macro trends, decarbonisation ambitions and public investment transform the energy sector. Which is why it was a great opportunity to host David Roberts from the Volts Podcast and Saul Griffith from Rewiring America and Rewiring Australia in front of a live Spark Club audience at Fishburners in Sydney in August 2023. In this robust conversation, David and Saul discuss the politics and policy of clean energy the US and Australia and the scale of the public capital needed to unlock the tsunami of opportunity coming. Enjoy the podcast.