Karl Vaters interviews Rick Hiemstra, a former small church pastor, now serving as the Director of Research at the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada.

Rick and Karl talk about a wide variety of subjects, including the Church Growth Movement, technology and how it has affected the way we approach pastoring.

Some helpful insights include:

• What has people’s attention is what shapes them, and technology has radically altered what has our attention
• How technology has shaped people’s expectation of what to expect from their church and their pastor
• How technology subconsciously changed pastors from shepherds to content producers
• The important difference between “growth” and “scale”
• How small churches are especially suited to meet the changing needs of a world whose attention is so easily diverted

And much more.

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