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A few weeks ago, President Trump made some remarks about the Civil War. He said, "People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why? People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?" He also said that Andrew Jackson - had he been "a little bit later" - would have prevented the war.

Jay takes the occasion to have a "Q&A" with one of the most distinguished historians of the United States, and in particular of the American South: J. Mills Thornton III. They talk about the origins of the Civil War; the effect of slavery on Manifest Destiny; the issue of the Confederate flag today; and other things.

Years ago, Jay enrolled in a course taught by Professor Thornton: "The Ordeal of the Union." At the end of this podcast, Jay says he feels like he has just had a refresher course - and it was just as good the second time around, if not better.

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