Episode 14 features the story of Sam Lacy, a lawyer and ACNA churchgoer, who helped to write the lay lead presentment against Bishop Stewart Ruch. While in part about the careful work that went into preparing the presentment document, Sam's story is largely about the frustrations he faced as he sought to bring up Bishop Ruch's actions within his church community, particularly the reactions of his church leaders.

Sam has also played an integral role in podcast host Chris' own story, as this episode details, notably in how that relates to Chris's meeting with his former bishop, which included the other lawyer referenced in the episode's title, the Canon Lawyer in Chris's former diocese.

You can read a transcript of this episode on ACNAtoo's website here.

Please see these articles with explanations and updates (as of September 2025) for Bishop Ruch's Presentment trial:

New Trial Date Announced from ACNAtoo

Ruch Trial Halted By Prosecutor's Resignation by Arlie Coles

Chaotic Ruch Trial On Hold by Arlie Coles

Amid trial crisis, ACNA pushes forward with clergy misconduct overhaul by Katharyn Post

Third prosecutor appointed in ACNA trial of Bishop Ruch by Katharyn Post

Assistant Counsel Releases Details of Court Misconduct from ACNAtoo

Provincial Prosecutor Replaced Again from ACNAtoo