NB: Though the publication is not listed in the book’s acknowledgments, it turns out that “Without” did in fact first appear in Poetry in 1995. So I was wrong, big fucking surprise.

Some of the topics mentioned in this episode:

– Anne Helen Petersen’s article “The Master’s Trap”

– LitHub

– Paul Legault’s article “How John Ashbery Thinks: Reading the Collages of a Great Poet”

– Jesse Nathan’s article “Short Conversations with Poets: Kaveh Akbar”

– Kaveh Akbar’s poem “The Palace”

– Donald Hall’s poem “Without”

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