What does the office look like now — and who actually wants to be there? In this episode, Industrious co-founder Jamie Hodari joins Mosh to discuss how the role of the workplace has changed in the face of the pandemic, hybrid work, and a new generation of employees.

Jamie describes his vision for neighborhood workplaces, why “productivity” is a bad argument for return-to-office mandates, and how data-driven design details, like lighting and layout, can create spaces that people actually enjoy working in.

It’s also a conversation about entrepreneurship: Jamie reflects on his journey from founding Industrious to now overseeing a major division at CBRE, competing with WeWork in the coworking space, and maintaining a strong friendship with his co-founder through it all.

This episode is sponsored by Industrious where the Mo News HQ is located. Use code MONEWS you can get 50% off your first coworking Day Pass or Meeting Room.

Mosheh Oinounou (⁠@mosheh⁠) is an Emmy and Murrow award-winning journalist. He has 20 years of experience at networks including Fox News, Bloomberg Television and CBS News, where he was the executive producer of the CBS Evening News and launched the network's 24 hour news channel. He founded the @mosheh Instagram news account in 2020 and the Mo News podcast and newsletter in 2022.