The coronavirus is top of mind as we dig into the state of the pandemic in the EU, and ask whether leaders' handling of its resurgence threatens the bond of trust between governments and citizens. Estonian President Kersti Kaljulaid is our special guest to discuss her bid to be the next secretary-general of the OECD and other topics.

On the coronavirus, POLITICO health reporter Jillian Deutsch gets us up to speed on the EU's coordination efforts, and where things stand in developing a vaccine.

Rym Momtaz and Matthew Karnitschnig join POLITICO's Andrew Gray to debate the political implications of the latest measures intended to curb the spread of the virus. Are leaders still "following the science"? Is the hodge-podge of different restrictions, often announced at short notice, risk eroding trust in political leaders?

Estonian President Kersti Kaljulaid tells POLITICO's David M. Herszenhorn why she wants to lead the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. She also talks about the digital economy, the rise of the far right and the Baltic nation's attitude to the U.S. presidential election.

The podcast panel returns at the end of the show for a new feature — recommendations to help keep us all engaged and entertained as we're forced to spend more and more time at home. Rym recommends a New York Times story that raises uncomfortable questions about the paper's own reporting, Matt surprises everyone with some fluffy Parisian fare from Netflix and Andrew goes for a more sophisticated French flavor with a spy series (on CANAL+ and Amazon Prime).

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