Having grown sick to the eye teeth of Sales holding forth on the circle of keys, diminished ninths and cello fingering, Crabb has granted permission to post this special bonus episode, in which Sales speaks to a live audience at the ACO, in conversation with Fenella Kernebone, about her love of music.

Presented by the Australian Chamber Orchestra and the Wheeler Centre.

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